Table: 1/2, Sunday afternoonish. Maybe 12:30 or so. Most people are just sitting around waiting for football to get going. Overall the table is decent, with big pots at least 1-2 times per orbit. One action person just left recently who was helping to drive the pots but some fishy looking players just sat down. Whatever.

Hero: I should have a pretty good image. I've won 75%+ of the pots that I've been that that have gone to showdown. I've only lost 1-2 pots that I've raised pre flop. Overall I've been pretty card dead, so I've been very tagish (almost nitty today) so I'm getting a lot of respect for my opens/cBets.

V: Probable standard former internet rec player. Likely has a sense of the game, cBets, opens wider IP, can sometimes float. But he's not solid, or "really good" by any means. He opens too wide pre flop, calls too wide pre flop, cBets on bad boards, and all sorts of other things. He has the right idea, just poor execution. I haven't seen him play any entire hands that seem particularly relevant.


Hand:
Pre
2-3 folds
V ($265) opens from MP1 for $13
1 caller ($250) from LP
Hero (covers table maybe $550 at the time) calls in the BB with AT

Flop ($35): T84
Hero checks
V bets $20
Random folds
Hero calls

Turn ($73): T84A
Hero?

I feel like this spot is somewhat standard but I'm always a bit torn as to what to do here. If he's got AK/AQ/AJ this is a good card for him and he will bet and I can call/raise depending. If he's got any PP he hates this card, and will check, but will also likely fold if I bet. So, what does a hero do?

Lead, let V think we might fold if he raises. Or let him chase the broadway gutshot. Can't have the turn check through. Can't think a lot of people will say plan a c/r, so sizing is the issue. I'd want a size that makes V shove if he raises. V actually has a little too much for that., If we bet 50, and he raises at all he's willing to get ai. I can't see him raise the 50 then fold. If he does it's just lighting $ on fire, he'd be putting more than half his remaining stack in as a bluff.

Fold or 3b pre

As played I like leading turn unless you think he will call your c/r and riverbet with aq or ak.

For sizing I like 50 and a polarizing pot size bet on river if flush misses

+1.

Pre call is RIO.

Can you explain this? I know what RIO is, I also know flatting this oop isn't good. But when you say it's RIO pre, I don't know RIO in depth enough to be classifying it on different streets. I also thought it was mainly with high pp's, hands that don't have much chance at improving, while we're up against hands that have several ways to improve.

+1. Lean towards folding pre most of the time but 3-betting occasionally.

I also like a lead on the turn because it looks pretty bluffy and extracts value out of pocket pairs or Tx that would check back the turn and gets 2 streets of value out of AK AQ ect. where we might get only 1 street of value out of those hands if he folds to the turn check/raise.

No you've got the wrong idea in mind.

RIO hands are things like KJ, AT, A8, etc. hands which win small pots and lose big ones. These are hands which tend to make worse 1 pair type of hands that the range of open raisers and callers.

They have reverse implied odds because when you "hit" these hands you often end up losing a lot of money to someone with a better kicker.

RIO depends upon your read of villains. But, versus a raise and call without a read, AT isn't a good call pre at most 1/2-1/3 tables.

Fwiw this is a call pre in position since V is opening wide, subject to our read on the caller (which isn't provided)

WTF at folding pre.

You consider this RIO even though ATs is suited? Are you saying to 3bet occasionally just to find out where you are at? I'm not sure the value in 3betting, since the AJ+ hands will likely call leading us to be in the same bad spot OOP.

What about in position. Would ATs be a call and ATo be a fold?

V dependent.

Let's say nothing is known about Vs

Lots of questions asked and a broad answer needed lol. ATs and ATo have little change in equity, so don't dwell on that too much.

However, with a bet and a call pre, and you're OOP, a fold or 3-bet is fine. If two older guys make this play, then maybe lean toward fold. If two younger guys make this play, maybe lean toward a 3-bet.

If in position in same situation, obviously lean toward 3-bet over fold, but flatting can be ok as well

I agree. If it was a standard online raise like 3x or 3.5x then I wouldn't fold because of implied odds and maneuverability postflop but to a 6.5x open from MP and a call we're going to be in big RIO spots with top pair. Or if I had specific reads on how these villains played postflop then we can create a plan in advance for how we're going to play the hand.

You mentioned he c-bets a lot and raises wide. The important question here though is
how often he double barrels vs checkbacks. I think if he has showdown value pocket pair under ace, then either way.. you only get one more street of value max. And since he raises so wide he probably has a lot of air in his range.

So if he is aggressive but shuts down when someone shows interest then we just check/call him down the whole way here. If he check's back turn lead river for value b/c he has weakshdown.

If he gives up with his air (he shouldn't I don't think b/c this either hit him or it's a great card to double barrel as a preflop raiser when he has air/whiffed and c-bet.) But if he does, then we can lead out for some value. I like a small bet b/c it can induce both air and solid aces to raise spazz off light. 28-35 would be nice sizing if so.