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11-22-2014 , 01:41 PM
2/4 $300 max buy-in 4 handed
hero: LAG
villain: asian loose reg, bets big to protect from drawy boards, has hero called my big bluff before

4 handed: $250 stack effective
donk limps, V raises button to 16, hero (bb) calls ATo, donk calls
flop comes AJ8
check check
villain bets 45

what do?
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11-22-2014 , 04:47 PM
Call. Turn?
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11-23-2014 , 12:01 AM
Call and evaluate turn. Is this a tough spot for you??
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11-24-2014 , 04:02 AM
Soul read him

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11-24-2014 , 05:28 AM
OOP AT fold. If u r gonna call with AT, what do expect to see on flop ? A right ? So when A hits flop, bet ! Bet like $30, if he has AK,AQ,AJ, he is gonna raise, otherwise he will call or fold. If 1 call, bet like 60. If called check call river.
The way u played, fold. If u call , u will be in dark. U don't know where u stand. U might be calling him down with worse kicker for a huge pot. U can't stand much heat from him. Or if u want to be creative, like 30% of time, raise to 150. If u have the Ah, definitely 70% of time ! U can represent AJ or Axhh. If he calls or raises there is no looking back. U shove or call all in. If u r not in the mood to gamble, fold here at flop bet before it's too late. That's probably the best play here after ur FLOP CHECK. Unless against a super weak opponent call is a bad play. All good players are gonna c-bet after u check again.
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11-24-2014 , 07:17 AM
Does V c-bet 'all' the time? You already know your issue with a Ace-med kicker hand here. You are OOP against an overly aggressive bettor ... you know the price will be steep 'every' hand. Other posts have already beat you up on this issue ...

Not so sure why you would fold here when you called PF, but you have to put a range on him when you do so ... and do it PF, not on the fly each street. Are you ahead here very often? You have history with V so use it to make a decisoin here. Not so sure we can help you very much without more on his range.

You say he bets big to protect .. Are you ever ahead here when he actually does 'protect'? That is your only decision ... and you are never raising here with donk still in the hand so it's a call/fold based on your read. But I would probably call since I got into this in the first place .. AGAINST a range of hands I might be ahead of though. GL
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11-24-2014 , 09:32 AM
Fold pre, as played flat
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11-24-2014 , 09:38 AM
Call.

But if you think that v opens a tight enough range that this isn't a call on this flop, then you should have folded pre flop.

If you were calling for a T high flop, that's a leak.
If you were calling for an A high flop that checked through, that was also a leak.

Generally, if V is adjusting well to short handed play, I think calling pre flop is fine. He should be opening a huge range of hands on the button.
I suppose you could also 3bet, but I think we often get folds out of a lot of hands that we might get paid off with later.
If he is tricky post flop, there could be a case for 3bet or fold, but if he's pretty straight forward calling can be ok.
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11-24-2014 , 10:50 AM
Swallow hard and call.

Hold on tight and hope villain doesn't blow his load OTT, so that you both get to the river.

Probably fold ratty aces pre next time.
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11-24-2014 , 11:22 AM
4-handed is a completely different game. The value of AT goes way up. Calling ATo 4-handed is totally fine. People should be opening hands like A5s pre-flop, so AT isn't in the typical dominated position that it's in with most full ring games.

I'd be psyched with this flop against this V. I think it's an easy c/c on the flop. I would expect to have the best hand on the flop against this loose V 4-handed very often. I would either b/f the turn or c/c all non-flush turn cards (probably c/f the flush). If V fired a 3 bullet on the river, I'd probably give up. Otherwise, I think this is a hand we're you're getting value from V.

I think V has way more AT- in his range than he does AT+. Also, V is likely betting much wider than AJ+ plus on this flop.
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11-24-2014 , 11:51 AM
I call and evaluate turn. Check out his bet sizing and timing of his bet
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11-24-2014 , 12:49 PM
If u just call, it's like turning ur hands face up. Now u r at his mercy. Against a good player u r fried. U said he called ur big bluff earlier, but it depends on board texture and play. Some newbies make bluffs that doesn't even make any sense and get caught. If u put his range to A7+, only hand u r beating is A9 or A7. U said he is loose reg. even if he is loose, regs r smart enough not to push A rags when A is on board. Playing disciplined and avoiding tricky situations are fundamental starting steps. After u can read the players and table dynamics better u can loosen up and play A rags. With AT hands, if u win, u win small. If u lose, u lose big.

Last edited by dangecarlos; 11-24-2014 at 12:58 PM.
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11-24-2014 , 12:56 PM
3bet pf to this guy 100%
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11-24-2014 , 01:00 PM
If the draw wasn't there it would be a fold. Reason is having that flush draw ĺn board it reduces the strength of opponents range.
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