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ATo Squeeze spot 2/5 - awkward turn ATo Squeeze spot 2/5 - awkward turn

05-07-2019 , 04:07 PM
Hero $1200 - Regular in room, Played with villain a lot. Will apply pressure in spots.

Villian $1000 - Regular who I havn't seen get out of line too often. Seems to make some thinner than optimal calls. Maybe a winner? I dunno - she table changes away from my table a lot. Probably a bum hunter.

Hero is dealt AT - Probably bottom of my 3bet range

Rando opens to $15 in UTG+3
Villain calls $15
Hero 3bet $70-$85 (I think I went $85 which was bigger than I wanted, mis click lol)

Both of them call.

$260
A86
Check
Check
Hero goes $120
Fold
Villain calls

$500
Turn 3
Villian leads $180 - looks like she is trying to set up a river jam.
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05-07-2019 , 04:17 PM
I actually like checking this flop. We have a somewhat legit blocker, and need to protect our checking range, I think AT is great for that.

On the turn flat and evaluate.
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05-07-2019 , 04:18 PM
Guessing you'll get alot of fold pre nonsense.

I don't like c-betting here into 2 others.
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05-07-2019 , 05:18 PM
I'm not sure the rationale for picking this hand to 3b with, and it doesn't seem like the greatest squeeze spot either. Call plays decent 200bb deep. I think I like a suited connector or suited ace as a bottom of 3b range instead of ATo since it lacks playability.

Flop is a check but if I bet it is some stupid sizing like 1/4 so a worse hand will call.

Turn as played I don't assume she's just going to jam the river based on the size but maybe you have a read that she does. Kind of a gross spot where you likely have only three outs. If she's really a bum hunter and not getting out of line you might have to just fold turn. Her continuing range after the flop is going to be pretty strong and the turn donk doesn't make any sense either. I put her on almost exclusively AK-AJ here just trying to get to showdown (could also be spazzing obv but your line pre and on flop is strong and actually overrepping your hand quite a bit).
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05-07-2019 , 05:52 PM
Check flop. We need to x some A on the flop and I'd rather check one which I can't confidently go 3 streets with.

AP, fold turn. They're not bluffing and they're not value betting worse.
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05-07-2019 , 06:05 PM
V has overcalled pre after flatting a raise then she flatted again on the flop. So I don’t think she has a ton of better Aces here. This sort of line screams suited connectors this deep. Maybe she has a suited Ace/small but it’s unlikely.

This turn lead looks like a blocker for a strong combo draw - 6h5h/5h4h. H is uncapped and has all the big Aces and AA so her hand must be able to withstand a jam to take this line. She’d get 2-1 if H jams so she’d need to leave herself 33pct plus some turn FE. If she has 5h4h she has 18 outs (minus our blocking 10h). So it’s the right price and line for her when turn FE is considered. She also has some two pair aces which are ahead and maybe slowplayed 66 rarely.



If H flat calls he caps himself and makes it easier for V to blast at river. So she’s set up a tricky spot. So then he has a bluff catcher only which he gets nearly 4-1 on the turn call. I think this is the correct price because over 1/3 the rivers will be non-frightening overcards. So I’m calling getting a good price on a river brick rather than jamming and offering her the correct price with minimal FE.
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05-07-2019 , 06:45 PM
I don't get this donkbet, but I think sets are definitely in her range. Fold turn is probably best, since we only beat a bluff. (I would definitely call in game, I have to admit, and then later consider that a mistake.)
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05-07-2019 , 09:01 PM
Check flop or much smaller can't get three streets here
I flat turn, line doesn't make much sense and shouldn't have any better Ax here besides suited 2p
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05-07-2019 , 11:40 PM
Agree with SpanishMoon's assessment. I'd add that the other V had already folded when she called otf, so her just calling on the flop wouldn't get more money in the pot and it makes less sense with a set, especially when she can rep draws.

There're are only 2 sets to worry about instead of 3.

This seems like a blocker bet to me. Only 1.5x our flop bet. So much so, that I'm happy to have the ten of hearts in my hand.

If she has a set against someone who 3bet pre and bet into 2 people with an ace, on a drawy board, she has taken perhaps the worst possible route to getting paid. She should at least lead fairly big here.

My first thought here was to make a minish raise to tax her draws. Maybe once in a blue moon she'd have and fold AJ or AQ, but that occurred to me later.

I'm not too worried about someone who has taken such a defensive line so far just shoving a draw here, especially a grindy reg, especially a woman, especially when we rep big aces and top set.

I guess if I'm really so sure, it should be a jam. That just seems kind of reckless. So then maybe it's just a call.

Never folding.
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05-07-2019 , 11:50 PM
fold pre is probably correct but I'm always going to support choosing to 3! the bottom part rather than to flat and allow others to come along. Mission accomplished with an ace on the flop but as stated we need to protect a checking range on the flop.

The ten of hearts is a very relevant blocker to a good portion of FD combos that might be in either of villain's flatting ranges BUT moreso the middle player who might get 'priced in to see' (KT, QT, JT-54 of hearts) so the only valid FD's out there are KJhh and KQhh 76hh 54hh 65hh.

Honestly, from your description of villain and given this turn, she has zero sets since she would have raised on the flop when you bet. I see this bet size from KQ, KJ, and 54 of hearts which sets up the jam. Maybe just shove here over the top. Trust the read and run with it. I don't love taking these spots but I feel like when most brick rivers come and she jams it's a tough call, and when any heart or 7 fall we can be in a vomit spot. Just ship it and live with it. Heck She might even be folding AJ or AQ to that shove.

Last edited by V3ttz3ao; 05-07-2019 at 11:52 PM. Reason: left out combos
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05-08-2019 , 03:29 AM
Turn seems like a mandatory call, though gameplan for the river is complicated, we probably have to turn our hand into a bluff fairly often
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05-08-2019 , 05:55 AM
V's line looks FOS.

But the biggest problem is that H apparently doesn't know V well enough to know why she's taking this line. Given the hours H says he has against V, this should be known.

I think call down with the info presented.
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05-08-2019 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Turn seems like a mandatory call, though gameplan for the river is complicated, we probably have to turn our hand into a bluff fairly often
If V is shoving river with value and bluffs alike it's going to be very ugly for us on a lot of rivers. If we are turning it into a bluff I think the time is now.
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05-08-2019 , 02:58 PM
Not a fan of 3-betting ATo and prob just fold but it’s game dependent.

Once we get flatted twice I don’t like a cbet but it’s not terrible. We’re value owning ourselves a lot and are blocking a good amount of draws.

The c/c lead turn line by V is one I take a lot with nutty hands v thinking players when, as you did here, a V puts out a smallish cbet that looks like exactly what you have here. They often spaz out convinced that ur making a blocking bet. I think there’s a section on this in Miller’s “The Course.” That’s a lot to ascribe to this V, and obv she could be making a blocking bet - but you said she is a potential bum hunter - AP I’m folding pretty quickly.

Last edited by jimicornerstone; 05-08-2019 at 03:03 PM.
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05-08-2019 , 03:10 PM
Oh I’m betting flop. I mean, if she is just some dumb nut peddler than you might consider folding now. Most conventional players like this are not going to take this line with draws in a 3b pot on Axx very often if ever. Checking is far and away the more normal outcome. She probably has AT beat rn but will also be checking a number of rivers. Close. I’d likely call turn though bc sizing/maybe she has worse and maybe we improve enough. Not bluffing river. Plus it’s MGMNH right? So how can you fold a pair?
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05-08-2019 , 06:57 PM
Surprised to see so many people saying to fold pre or even call pre. I'm 3betting a MP 3x raise and a caller in position with ATo unless the original raisers a nit. However 80 is to much, 60 to 70 is fine.

As played call the turn esp if she will "apply pressure in spots".
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05-08-2019 , 08:33 PM
a she who moves around = nit

instamuck here, would have checked the flop though, pre was fine IMO
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