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08-14-2019 , 09:14 AM
Tuesday night 1/3, hero is new to the table and essentially readless. Main V in the hand is MABG, stack ~200. Hero covers.

PF: 4 limps to hero in HJ, hero raise to $20 with Ad Th, main V on button calls, three limpers call, 5 ways to flop.

Flop ($105): 9c Tc 2h, x x x, hero bets $65, button V calls, rest fold.

Turn ($235): 6s, hero shoves ~$115 effective.

Standard or spewy or otherwise? Thanks.
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08-14-2019 , 09:18 AM
Bigger raise pre - $25-30.

As played looks standard enough to me. TPTK and plenty of draws still in vs range here.
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08-14-2019 , 11:14 AM
I just overlimp preflop. We're going to have a very difficult time thinning the field without putting in a lol huge percentage of our stack, and otherwise when we do put in a lol huge percentage of our stack we often limit a lot of the calling hands to dominating hands (whereas overlimping at least keeps in dominated ones). If you're not incredibly comfortable in very multiway pots / those behind us are aggro/difficult, a preflop fold is actually fine too. Preflop result should be expected in a lotta games and it sucks balls (imo).

So now we're in a lol < 2 SPR pot, board is super drawy, and we've just got TP against eleventeen opponents having offered everyone great okish IO of 14+:1. I think everything we do here sucks. Shoving sucks, but I probably lean to that.

As played, nothing else we can do on the turn with just a 1/2 PSB left (which is why I woulda shoved the flop due to perhaps even still feeling committed with some scarier cards of which there are a bunch).

Gputyourselfinagoodspotpreflop,imoG
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08-14-2019 , 11:18 AM
Standard. Pre is good -- ATo is raise or fold pre. Size is fine (unless you knew you'd get four callers). Rest is fine/good for 75bb. If he got lucky with 78 or some other random hand, so be it.
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08-14-2019 , 11:39 AM
I would size 25 minimum preflop otherwise nice hand well played
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08-14-2019 , 11:42 AM
I don't like raising a marginal hand preflop like this without a decent read on the table. I think this is a standard play if you have reads that nobody limps monsters, they are just too wide VPIP and the sb/bb are relatively unskilled. I would not sit down cold/read-less and do this. Too many things have to go right for you here post-flop.

AP: bet more on flop with only BTN behind us and everyone still drawing obviously. Turn is standard I think.
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08-14-2019 , 11:52 AM
I am somewhat surprised by some of the posts here. AT in this position is a mandatory raise in my books - this is a top hand and we will likely have position on the action. In no way is this marginal imo - we are ahead of the limping ranges with a value hand.

Raise a proper amount, get it heads up, cbet and profit.
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08-14-2019 , 12:02 PM
ATo is an incredibly marginal hand (it's just one pip above the basically unplayable A9o), and in the HJ we still have half the table to react preflop.

Gmeh,imoG
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08-15-2019 , 01:04 PM
results, V snaps w/JJ, nh. I discounted most overpairs due to flats preflop and on flop, though JJ is most plausible.

I have a hard time getting behind overlimping pre as some here advocate. I think a fold or raise is fine and I think those saying to go a little bigger are right.

After the hand I was questioning if he has enough worse in his range after calling flop to call he turn shove with worse, but I think now that he does.

Thanks everyone.
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08-15-2019 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by h0trod
results, V snaps w/JJ, nh. I discounted most overpairs due to flats preflop and on flop, though JJ is most plausible.

I have a hard time getting behind overlimping pre as some here advocate. I think a fold or raise is fine and I think those saying to go a little bigger are right.

After the hand I was questioning if he has enough worse in his range after calling flop to call he turn shove with worse, but I think now that he does.

Thanks everyone.
nh ul and wp overall.
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