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06-26-2014 , 09:45 PM
100bb eff
Villain looks like a prty good player youngish has some chips
I open aqcc from co to 30
Sb flats villain completes in bb
Q73ss falls
Sb checks. Bb leads 45
How are we looking to proceed
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06-26-2014 , 09:58 PM
I'm always reraising for two reasons : 1. We have position 2. If flush hits, we usually get checked to which we can maneuver smartly. I love a raise and bet if no flush on turn.
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06-26-2014 , 09:59 PM
seems like a straightforward call
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06-27-2014 , 02:16 AM
I think this particular board is a raise, because villain has very few 2 pair combos.

His 3bet value range on this flop is basically just 6 set combos. Given the improbability of a value 3bet, you should charge his spade draws.

However, on something like Qh7s8s, raising becomes more of a problem because villain starts having a lot more 2 pair combos to balance out his semibluffs. So on that board I would just call.
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06-27-2014 , 07:44 AM
Raise vs a wide pf calling range w many worse Qx and lots of fd combos. The 1/2psb donk could be weak, but not necessarily folding to a 2.5-3x raise.
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06-27-2014 , 03:53 PM
i also think its a pretty straightforward call
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06-27-2014 , 08:00 PM
Call
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06-27-2014 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by fogodchao
Raise vs a wide pf calling range w many worse Qx and lots of fd combos. The 1/2psb donk could be weak, but not necessarily folding to a 2.5-3x raise.
This is where my head was at
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06-27-2014 , 08:17 PM
Why do ppl like calling vs raising
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06-27-2014 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ebet33
Why do ppl like calling vs raising
I can understand raising if we always expect one of the two villains to have a flush draw. On this board that's all we really have to be concerned about. The donk bet sizing does however look like a semi bluff with a FD so raise seems preferable.

However, when we raise flop it's very hard for Qx to call, particularly as we have position and they have to expect another bet on the turn.

I'm making it 155
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06-27-2014 , 09:44 PM
Raise this hand and also include bluffs/semibluffs in your raising range in this spot. If you aren't raising this hand, then do you have a raising range?
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06-27-2014 , 10:04 PM
Grunch:
Raising (likely better) and calling here will both be +EV despite our Villains tendencies, however only knowing that he's "pretty good" and "young" does really tell us what the more +EV line ought to be. Is the villain very aggressive? Does he fire 3 barrels on wet boards with TP? Yes? Then flatting would be better. Does the Villain constantly B/F? Or B/C and proceed very carefully? Then just flat. Have you seen the Villain bet his draws? Or not bet his draws? Ect...
Either you're not communicating these types of reads to us, or (more likely) you're not paying enough attention to develop specific reads, which is a major leak your game and likely costs you a lot of money since you're playing 5/10nl.
Lastly, you need to also pay attention to which card isn't in the flush draw. For example was the Q OTF a spade or not. This will change his semi-bluff range substantially.

Edit: just realized that villain leads for 1/2 pot rather than 2/3rds pot. Which almost always indicates a semibluff or serious kicker trouble. This is always a raise for me.

Last edited by BuffaloHound; 06-27-2014 at 10:16 PM.
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06-27-2014 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ebet33
Why do ppl like calling vs raising
think he leads protection bets/fl draws/sets/q7/air....if we raise he folds protection bets/air that we do really well against and continues with a range were flipping against....it really sucks when we raise he 3bets, we call, turn blanks and he bombs - now we're lost....I think if you have a read that a villan leads a lot of weak Qx here raising becomes a lot better but I don't see people leading q9 here
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06-28-2014 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ebet33
Why do ppl like calling vs raising
Call and let him barrel his FDs and weaker Qx hands.
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06-28-2014 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen
Call and let him barrel his FDs and weaker Qx hands.
Calling to allow him to continue barreling assumes he is folding to a raise. idk the last time someone folded Qx or a fd when i raised in a similar spot.
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06-28-2014 , 10:46 PM
If looks aren't deceiving, you aren't doing very well against his range- yet.
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06-29-2014 , 09:06 AM
kind of amazed so many call proponents. im definitely raising for value.
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07-01-2014 , 08:29 AM
Does he seem like a live pro or internet pro? Definitely just flat if he's internet.
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07-01-2014 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DGAF
If looks aren't deceiving, you aren't doing very well against his range- yet.
Not sure what you mean by "yet"?? I don't really see how our hand really can improve much...an Ace kills all the action if villain has Qx. We're already dominating against that perceived range. Not putting V on any sort of 2 pair either. Either KQ, QJ, QT, set, or flush draw.

I'm just flatting here and looking to play a small pot and allow villain to barrel off his Qx....if flush card comes then we need to re-evaluate. Believe a raise blows villain off the hands we beat in this spot...should be charging him for flush draws but doubt he bets big on turn if he misses...at this point we can bet out.
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07-02-2014 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by OSUTexan
Not sure what you mean by "yet"?? I don't really see how our hand really can improve much...an Ace kills all the action if villain has Qx. We're already dominating against that perceived range. Not putting V on any sort of 2 pair either. Either KQ, QJ, QT, set, or flush draw.

I'm just flatting here and looking to play a small pot and allow villain to barrel off his Qx....if flush card comes then we need to re-evaluate. Believe a raise blows villain off the hands we beat in this spot...should be charging him for flush draws but doubt he bets big on turn if he misses...at this point we can bet out.
Was talking about equity, not hand.
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07-03-2014 , 11:32 AM
i feel like a competent donk range would be combo draws and sets, all of which are liable to 3b flop
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07-03-2014 , 01:49 PM
Seen villain play much? What do you think his sb flatting range might be?
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