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Old 09-18-2018, 12:36 PM   #1
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AQo in EP , 1/2 NL

I have LAG image at this point, I open for 12 in EP; Short stack on my left is AI for 45 total; player in MP shoves for 112 total; I have a shove and a re-shove in front of me.

Player in MP isn't exactly a nit but not crazy either, somewhere in between; His hand was shaking a bit as he put chips in ; I was sensing fear for sure and immediately thought he had some PP from 99-JJ. Shaking can mean very strong sometimes but this didn't feel like one of those times.

SS that shoved , I'm not worried about bc its only 30 more so I only need to win the side pot to profit a small amount I believe.

I ran numbers after session and I need 36% equity here getting 1.8 to 1 on a call.

What do you guys think ? call or fold
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Old 09-18-2018, 12:40 PM   #2
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Re: AQo in EP , 1/2 NL

I have both players covered (roughly 200)
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Old 09-18-2018, 12:43 PM   #3
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Re: AQo in EP , 1/2 NL

Fold, and this is despite your table image at this point. First of all, it'll be hard to beat both of them. Second, you only have $12 invested. Third, a 3! and a 4! jam from two shorties who don't get out of line? And you opened in EP and they don't care? Expect to see at least one big hand (QQ+). Fourth, AQo is not that great in EP anyway. Probably the bottom of most EP opening ranges. Fold.

Edit: and the hand shaking is usually the nuts.
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Old 09-18-2018, 01:01 PM   #4
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Re: AQo in EP , 1/2 NL

I think if you had more money already invested I would consider this more, but in this situation I agree with DT, you can get out for just $12, so I think I would.
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Old 09-18-2018, 01:45 PM   #5
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Re: AQo in EP , 1/2 NL

You having put in $12 doesn't affect your decision except in as far as it affects the amount you have to call and therefore your pot odds. Thinking you have to continue because you put in so much or you can more easily fold because you didn't put much in are both sunk cost fallacies.

As it is I would fold. You're frequently crushed by one of these players and when you are crushing one of them and flipping vs the other you'll find the one you're crushing I inevitably blocking your outs against the pair.

E.g. against JJ and ATs you have only 32% - and that's a good scenario.

Also of the two villains the bigger stack should have the stronger range so you will lose the side pot more often than you might think.

Against a range of 77+ AJ+ KQ for the first shove and TT+ AQ+ for the second villain you have 22.4% equity.
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Old 09-18-2018, 09:11 PM   #6
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Re: AQo in EP , 1/2 NL

Ok yea I need a lot more equity here, this is not a standard play for me; I only made the call because this guy was shaking and seemed nervous and my image was loose; the bigger stack ended up having JJ so I wasn't wrong in that sense. The Short stack had KK so I think it's still -EV ; I was lucky to bink an A on the flop tho and stack both players
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Old 09-18-2018, 10:33 PM   #7
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Re: AQo in EP , 1/2 NL

Feels like a fold to me. I think you're putting too much stock in the shaking which could definitely be nerves about having KK or whatever. Maybe with AQs you might edge out enough equity to call.
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Old 09-18-2018, 10:38 PM   #8
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Re: AQo in EP , 1/2 NL

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I ran numbers after session and I need 36% equity here getting 1.8 to 1 on a call.
The numbers are a little more complicated because there are two pots.

For the main pot, you're calling $33 to win ~$102 so you're getting a bit over 3:1 so you only need 25% equity to call.

For the side pot, you're calling an additional $67 to win $67 so you need 50% equity against the larger stack to call (obviously).

So there are cases where you're a dog for the side pot but make up for it with your overlay for the main pot.
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Old 09-18-2018, 10:40 PM   #9
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Re: AQo in EP , 1/2 NL

Also think we have to fold here and call sumfin like JJ+,AK
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