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07-26-2019 , 11:33 PM

DumbosTrunk

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Hi all,

2/5. New to table. V has been decently active, raising a couple hands the last orbit. Otherwise he’s an unknown younger white guy. Might be in town for the tournament series here.

V raises $25 UTG+2, folds to hero ($280) who flats BTN AsQd. Heads up.

Flop ($50): Qs-Js-5d. V bets $30. Hero calls.

Turn ($110): 3d. V checks, hero bets $50, V CRAI. Hero? I deciding whether to call I thought whether his line made sense for a value hand. Does it, with the connected and draw-heavy flop?

Thanks,
DT

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07-26-2019 , 11:38 PM

XtraScratch8

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Am okay with the line, I would size up a bit on the turn personally, but meh.
Gotta just call it off imo. I’m not interested in folding to this V type for 60 bb’s.
Probably chopping a fair amount here.
If he has KK, meh.

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07-26-2019 , 11:50 PM

matzah_ball

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Turn bet should be bigger and obviously snap call

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07-27-2019 , 12:29 AM

Atinat

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Pardon my ignorance (I'm asking, not insinuating), but is $25 a standard open here? Seems kinda large

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07-27-2019 , 12:33 AM

XtraScratch8

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Originally Posted by Atinat

Pardon my ignorance (I'm asking, not insinuating), but is $25 a standard open here? Seems kinda large

Massively game dependent.
Plenty of games where $15-20 go 2-3 ways often.
Plenty of games where $25-40 go 4-5 ways often.

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07-27-2019 , 01:08 AM

krilleater

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This seems like a really weird line from a value hand, especially when we have As (blocking AsAx which could sometimes take this line). Given how shallow we're playing, I call.

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07-27-2019 , 04:01 AM

KID777777

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Probs would of 3b pre and then stack off 50bigs eff
AP I call

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07-27-2019 , 05:10 AM

venice10

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Given your stack size 3bet pf. As played, flop is a rai.

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07-27-2019 , 09:57 AM

Stickum84

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I think almost all the hands he has have you crushed. With your call on the flop, he knows you have something and if he has AA or KK, he figures you for a TP type hand or a big draw you would bet and thinks you will bet for a high frequency and then have a hard time folding any of these hands to his shove....
Looks like just slightly over a pot sized bet, not sure I could do it live, but I think this is actually a fairly straightforward fold.

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07-27-2019 , 11:15 AM

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ionutd

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raise flop
ap bigger turn and snap if you're playing short

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07-28-2019 , 06:10 PM

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johnny_on_the_spot

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Raising pre. Raising flop. Never folding turn AP

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Originally Posted by Stickum84

No. People don’t just check big hands from up front on super wet boards when flush’s and straights haven’t come in yet. This would be about the fanciest play of fancy plays because any FD/SD is taking a free card some % of the time, especially at 2/5 and lower where players, in general, play very straight forward

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07-28-2019 , 06:17 PM

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Stickum84

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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot

Raising pre. Raising flop. Never folding turn AP

No. People don’t just check big hands from up front on super wet boards when flush’s and straights haven’t come in yet. This would be about the fanciest play of fancy plays because any FD/SD is taking a free card some % of the time, especially at 2/5 and lower where players, in general, play very straight forward

Ok, but they also don't check raise all in with worse than TPTK in these spots, which is the most crucial information.

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07-28-2019 , 06:41 PM

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Spanishmoon

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Short-stacked at 2/5 from the BTN, I’m 3b pre and looking to try to GII on a flop like this. If he has AA/KK, that’s poker.

From V’s perspective, H is capped so V can take the lead on this flop.

AP: I’d probably play KK or Aa with something similar to V’s flop line here. There’s 2 FDs out now and I’m surprised he didn’t lead this turn also. So it’s a little fishy. I’m calling praying he has jammed AdKd. I’m not folding here.

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07-28-2019 , 06:45 PM

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DumbosTrunk

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Results: I pretty much snapped.

I did run into some FPS here because he had JJJ...!

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07-28-2019 , 07:16 PM

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johnny_on_the_spot

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Originally Posted by Stickum84

Ok, but they also don't check raise all in with worse than TPTK in these spots, which is the most crucial information.

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Do you ever play 2/5? I see people check/raise with worse than TPTK all the time

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07-28-2019 , 07:23 PM

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Stickum84

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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot

Do you ever play 2/5? I see people check/raise with worse than TPTK all the time

Yes I do, plenty enough to know AQ is no good here. On the flop yes people will semi bluff and usually lead the turn even, but turn check raise all in like this particular hand, no I rarely see this with a worse hand than TPTK...and when we block their best semi bluff hand it makes the hand even more clear imo.
Like I said earlier pretty straightforward fold, can I make this fold live at the table? Most likely not, but it's the part of my game I'm working on the most right now and need to be able to make these folds to be a better player.

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07-28-2019 , 07:30 PM

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CowboyCold

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.... 3! Pre posts

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Originally Posted by KID777777

Probs would of 3b pre and then stack off 50bigs eff
AP I call

Grunch up to post #8.

Flatting AQ on the button is horrible. 3!>>fold>>>>>>>>>>call

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07-28-2019 , 08:03 PM

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Playbig2000

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You started the hand with 56 BB's, and have TPTK with only $175 behind ott (about a psb) it's a snap call.

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Flatting AQ on the button is horrible. 3!>>fold>>>>>>>>>>call

I agree 100%.

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07-28-2019 , 08:10 PM

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ionutd

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

Results: I pretty much snapped.

I did run into some FPS here because he had JJJ...!

doesn't matter, at that spr you really shouldn't fold many strong hands

pre is ok to mix with AQ

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07-28-2019 , 08:18 PM

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CowboyCold

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Originally Posted by ionutd

doesn't matter, at that spr you really shouldn't fold many strong hands

pre is ok to mix with AQ

At this stack depth. Please elaborate.

PS. I love your avatar. Courage the cowardly dog was my son and eyes favorite.

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07-29-2019 , 02:29 AM

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PardoG

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Pre I’d 3 to 80/call it off or 3 to 80 pre then jam flop with this texture

As played I’m going to just get it i here on the turn -

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07-29-2019 , 07:34 AM

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ionutd

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Originally Posted by CowboyCold

At this stack depth. Please elaborate.

PS. I love your avatar. Courage the cowardly dog was my son and eyes favorite.

op is playing 50bb deep
spr wise, this scenario is similar to having 3b pre and being x/rai on the turn were we deeper.
we just can't fold hands as strong as this one when the spr is low, just like you don't fold tptk to a psb turn shove in a 3b pot. b/f turn is pretty much a disaster with tptk here when you think about the pot odds and ranges involved. we need to fight for big pots, a significant % of our winrate comes from them.

v's line is perfectly fine and so is hero's
he can x/r KQ+,JJ+,QJs,KTs and there's nothing we can do about it
mby AsQx isn't supposed to bet turn 100% freq , but I imagine we mostly bet vs a perfect opp too

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