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AQo 3b Pot vs. Bluffy Villlain AQo 3b Pot vs. Bluffy Villlain

02-18-2018 , 09:36 PM
1/2, 4:30am

Villain is a middle age Asian-American, had sat down at my table a few hours earlier and busted in about 5 hands (him defending a blind and folding turn vs me and busting the net hand). My table broke and he sat at my new table about half an hourish later with a full stack of 200.

In the 2ish hours of sitting together before this he has shown a willingness to bluff, showing down 8Ts with a flusg/gutshot and AKo on a low board which he x/r a low coordinated board and overbet shoved turn with AKo.

OTTH

3 limps, including V.

BTN bumps it to 12
Hero 3! to 40 w/ AdQh in SB
V cold calls from HJ, everyone else folds

Flop: 965hhd

H x/f to a 50 dollar bet


I felt like I have enough better hands to be calling with than AQo without a backdoor NFD so I folded. Vil showed 22. I
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02-18-2018 , 09:46 PM
I would have cbet, maybe he bet since you checked. Eff stacks are 200?

when you 3bet from the blinds your representing a big hand
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02-18-2018 , 09:47 PM
Edit out everything after the flop. Don't post results.
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02-18-2018 , 10:38 PM
None of the reads you gave us on him are all that helpful here. What we really need to understand his preflop range, and how light he calls.

I don't care how bluffy a player is, I don't think I can x/c AQo here. What I want to know is how hard that flop hits his 3-bet calling range, and how likely he is to fold to a c-bet. That's not a great flop, I probably play it the same.

The other question is whether 3-betting AQo out of the blinds is a good play here. It's not terrible, but I like to have a more polarized 3-betting range out of the blinds, and AQo is one of those hands that's usually too weak to value 3-bet, and not great for semi-bluff 3-betting with. I'm probably just calling pre-flop here and looking for a good flop.
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02-19-2018 , 03:59 AM
Grunch.

Please provide pot sizes on each street.

Please provide effective stacks. I assume you cover V, so that's 200 here.

Giving results in the post can bias responses and means we have information you didn't have at the time of your decision. Freeze the action at your decision point (or the most important one). In this case, I'd make it on the flop and ask for input on what you should do.

Some really critical information is missing so it's hard to provide any useful commentary. If you didn't consider those points at the time, I think that's probably the most useful advice. If you did, it's important to give us that information.


On to the comments...

Pre, I'd 3b larger here. I typically size my OOP 3b 4x + 1x per caller. In this case, I'd make it 50 (rounding 4 x 12). Not a big deal in all likelihood.

Pot is 102 less rake, etc. Call it 95ish, with 160 back. We have a few options:
* x/jam
* x/f
* b/c
* b/f
* jam

Critical information:
Observations of V's raising range. What have you seen him raise with? What have you seen him not raise with (that you might have expected)? Did V raise the AKo hand pre? Based on your reads of him and observation of his play, what does his limp/call a big bet range look like? What can you rule out?

What's your image? Have you shown any bluffs? Ever 3b before? If so, how did the hand(s) go?

These factors largely determine what you should do.

If his preflop actions deny any big hand and you have a squeaky clean image, you can lead this flop out for 60 and likely get folds. You could get creative and x/jam if you think he'll bluff at it.

If he flats big hands and you've shown three bluffs in the last half hour, yeah, x/f sounds pretty good.

My default would be to continue the aggression. If we lead 60 and he jams, we'll be getting about 3:1 on a call. If our two overs are good, that's about 3:1. We also have a BDFD. We're probably going to be roughly indifferent to either folding or calling in that spot. If we're going to call, we should consider jamming ourselves, losing the same amount when behind but increasing our FE.

If we're going to fold to a raise, we should consider betting smaller, perhaps only half the pot or a bit less. I'm not too worried this will be taken as a sign of weakness. We might well bet small with something like a big pair and a heart. And most LLSNL V's aren't thinking that clearly. That said, it is a potential risk. We might end up getting called by a weak but still better hand.

I wouldn't x/f here unless dynamics were bad. V hasn't shown any particular strength and we have. Showing weakness now tends to invite a bluff from someone who is known to bluff sometimes. Induction/folding isn't a great combination move.
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