1/2 games

Hero Stack 775
Villain stack 400-450ish

villain is semi-decent player has seen made some loose bets/calls and always c-bets to flop about 1/2 pot when ever he raises preflop

Villain in MP raise to 10
2 cold callers
Hero is in the SB with AQ
BB calls as well
Pot is 52
Flop come AK10
checked to PFR who bets 25
fold to hero
hero???
Hero decides to just call
everyone else folds
turn 9
pot 102
hero checks
villain bets 60
hero????
Hero calls
pot 222
river 2
hero checks
villain bets 120
hero folds
I showed him on the river what I had and he showed me his cards after the hand was finished but I felt that i just played the hand wrong but cant really put my finger on how i played it wrong.
I thought about 3 betting preflop but the table was pretty loose and didnt want to get committed to hand that isnt that great OOP
I knew that he would cbet as that is what he does, his range was pretty much any 2 Broadway when i put that in stove i was in decent shape.
should i be check raising here?
I thought about it but was thinking that if he calls i am in bad shape and dont really like bloating the pot OOP
I also thought that i cant really fold as i got a pretty decent hand.

I knew that when he bets the turn he has got a big hand I didn't really know what to do from here I put him on 2pair, sets , or AQ AJ for top pair with gutshot after running it thought pokerstove it was something like 42/58 to villain.
but when i change it to sets and 2 pairs I was getting crushed 25/75 to villain.
how would you of played it?
was i just too passive or is it better just to check call here on flop and turn it just seems like i am leaking money like a fish

There are some situations where I will 3b AQ at 1/2, this is one of them. Given the 2 callers, there's enough money in the pot where I don't mind if the original raiser folds, but I think you will find that other players actually call 3 bets pretty wide (especially as most players don't raise preflop very often to begin with.) It sounds contradictory but 3betting preflop is both for value and a bluff. You put a lot of pressure on medium pocket pairs which are flipping with you and you get called by worse Ax. The two callers juicing the pot makes a 3b even sweeter.

As played I fold the turn -- call flop is fine as most players are cbetting very wide, on the turn he's probably checking back medium strength hands such as 1p (as you probably know -- AQ beats all 1p here!) So his bet is most likely either a bluff or 2p+, and given a reasonable preflop raising range and given that few people are double barreling complete air it's probably the latter.

What would you 3 bet to, 40-50? I assume anything less and its just going to be 4 to flop.

yeah I'd usually make it 3x+limpers so 50 seems right

It's on the large side because everyone folding (and giving up the money they've put in) is actually preferable to everyone calling

Unless you have AA or villain dominated in some other way the best outcome is actually them folding and surrendering their equity. But we 3b because a call is also good.

as mentioned I thought about it, I would of pumped it to maybe 55-65 but one of the problems is that if the PFR calls the other 2 might just shove as they had between 120-200 left.
As a few hands before something similar happened with the shortstacks.

This is a good thing! If other players are inclined to jam lightly due to short stack dynamics, then AQ would be ahead of that range.

pretty much agree with DK

I'm 3-betting this preflop every time unless V was a super tight nit or OMC and if that was the case I'd call merely to flop gin and c/f anything less than two pair.

you said

so yeah, easy 3-bet AINEC. Our 3-bet from the blinds is going to look super strong and I'd expect him to fold 80% of the time. And if he calls, odds are still good our hand is ahead of his range.

As played, yeah, I'd just fold turn.

The only hand we beat in his range with his turn bet is AJ and since we have the A unlikely he has the FD. He'd have to have some big brass balls to triple barrel KQ here

However, the other component to hands like this is your previous history. Given how you played this hand, I would guess that V has a history of triple barreling you and you folding. Also, I'm wondering/suspecting that if you had a strong hand here you would have c/r turn thus you play your hand fairly fit-n-fold and if V is a thinking player he could profitably play a wide range against you. Basically, the blueprint would simply be to bet each street and if you don't check/raise you fold to river bet probably 75% or more of the time.

And conversely, I'd guess you probably only 3-bet JJ+, AK right? So again, V can raise a wide range against you, and if you call he can automatically take JJ+ AK out of your range...

Food for thought.

In any event, 3-bet pre and if one of the short stacks shoves then that is perfect as we likely flip or may even dominate their shove range.

yeah i understand that i wouldnt mind a shortstack jam as i know my AQ would be looking not that bad.
I had this hand early in the session
I had someone shove all in for about 100 when i raises 15 with pocket 5's i thought about it and called and the guy showed A7 off!!!
but the question there are a few possiblies that could arise from me 3 betting and they are
I 3 bet and everyone folds - great for me

I 3 bet and PFR fold, 1 or both of short stacks shove- not bad for me as i dont really mind getting it in against these guys

I 3 bet PFR 4 bets/shoves I have to fold - not that great for me take not then move on

I 3 bet PFR calls then 1 or both of the short stacks shove on me, then what?? I 4 bet or shove too isolate? or do I call and we go to a flop OOP in a massive bloated pot

I 3 bet and everyone just calls so pot is massive but i will be OOP against a semi-decent player and a short stack - out for the options this is the one I didnt like as i would not be that comfortable

I just could not see a good reason to 3 bet there maybe I am not thinking right but given the options a call seems a lot better

I didnt really play again him for most of the night i was usually picking on the fish at the table hammering them when they got nothing/on a draw
my image was aggressive as i dont really mind betting when i think i am ahead as oposed the the rest of the table who were pretty passive/weak

should i be opening my 3 betting range to counter this type of situation?
what type of hand should I be adding to range?? big SC, suited aces?

I was playing pretty much ABC poker for who session as it didnt really need to get tricky as the table was great and easy to read etc
this hand was really the only hand of note over a 4 hour session just has me wondering what i can do better