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Old 01-06-2019, 01:28 AM   #1
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AQ, overcards $1/$3

SB is young guy seems solid, has not played many hands in 15 minutes at the table

Hero hasn't been playing much to

1 limper, Hero raises to $20 in MP with AQ, SB calls, BB calls, limper calls

Flop is 988 (pot is $80)
checked through

Turn is 4
SB leads $30, fold, fold, Hero calls $30

River is 6 (Pot is $140)
SB checks, Hero bets $100
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Old 01-06-2019, 02:53 AM   #2
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Re: AQ, overcards $1/$3

I am assuming you're asking about your line in this hand since there are no points for us to discuss what the next action should be. So, I'll take a crack at it.

I think your open sizing is way too big. You are, likely, going to see this hand oop so inflating the pot is not preferable. I'd have preferred a raise to about $7 (roughly half pot.) You find yourself in a mixed situation: it's great in that you have position on all of your callers, but you have about two more callers than AQ would prefer.

I like your flop check. Too many people get hung up on the idea that they raised pre so they have to c-bet. This board smacks the ranges of your callers way harder than it does your range. So a check is good.

SB leads 30 into 80. My immediate thought (though I hate trying to play magician and guess what they have) is that V called with a PP and just filled up. At any rate, this hand is not nearly high enough in your range to warrant this call. I'm fairly certain this is a fold.

You see a river with 140 in the pot and it bricks for you. The only good thing about this card for you is that you block a few FD combos. Two (albeit unlikely) SDs got there, the FD got there, and the board is paired. HOWEVER, you have almost no showdown value. I think this hand is about the bottom of your range here, so it does give you the most incentive to bet. I don't hate the sizing. I might have shaded it a touch higher, but it's not bad.

just my two cents.
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Old 01-06-2019, 02:56 AM   #3
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Re: AQ, overcards $1/$3

SB took the line that someone with a pair of 9's could easily take as he doesn't want to donk into 3 people on the flop OOP, he bet small on the turn to feel things out and now on the river his option is to either check or lead the river on a board where you could easily have the flush, an 8 or an over pair, any of which beat him.

You forced yourself into needing to bluff the river because you can't call the turn with ~12% chance to hit one of your overcards (which could still easily be behind) without already knowing you are going to bluff the river.

I hate the turn call as you learn nothing about his hand and leave him open to keeping a backdoor flush draw in play.

If I was going to make a move I'd just raise the turn, it's cheaper for the same result (raising to $90 on the turn is $40 cheaper than calling turn and betting $100 on the river like you did) and you can get him to fold 9's or a backdoor flush draw with the intention to fold to a 4bet or a river bet after he calls turn.

Personally I would just fold turn to someone I know nothing about.
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Old 01-06-2019, 05:25 AM   #4
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Re: AQ, overcards $1/$3

No problem pre, pretty std open on loose/passive tables,
fine checking 4 way even in position
i fold turn vs lead 4 way oop by solid guy
not sure about the river bluff , the card doesn't really help your range at all
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Old 01-06-2019, 06:31 AM   #5
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Re: AQ, overcards $1/$3

Pre is fine sizing altho not std. if they’re willing to call garbage vs 7x raise we are printing here. $15-18 is fine.

Turn easy fold, sure he can have bluffs but 4-way he has TP here a lot or at least a PP.

River fine ap, you have a spade blocker and you play all your Axss like this
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Old 01-06-2019, 07:15 AM   #6
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Re: AQ, overcards $1/$3

Looks good.

Don't listen to the nits above about folding the turn.
We close the action, are getting good odds, and V range consists of a high% of draws and weak made hands. I'm probably betting any K/J/spade on the river, along with an A or Q, obviously.
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Old 01-06-2019, 10:12 AM   #7
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Re: AQ, overcards $1/$3

Whatever you do, do not raise to $7 preflop.

Preflop is good
Flop is good
Id mostly fold the turn...but...
If I called the turn, river bet is perfect.

Nice hand.
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Old 01-07-2019, 12:41 PM   #8
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Re: AQ, overcards $1/$3

Assuming 100bb stacks.

15 minutes isn't even one orbit, so I wouldn't exactly take our reads to the bank.

I'm fine with preflop although I'm guessing we didn't expect it to go 4ways. Isolating is hard.

I also check back the flop 4ways.

I fold to the turn donk. He's betting into 3 opponents, 2 of which could have easily been sandbagging the flop vs us.

Probably not the worst place for a bluff as our hand tells a reasonable story (we raised preflop with big spades, checked back the flop when whiffed, picked up our flush draw on the turn, and got there on the river). It's also *perhaps* possible we play a big pair like this (I would often check back AA on this flop). It's going to be very tough for a little pair to make this river call, and even 9x will consider a fold once and a while. The only thing that perhaps discourages it is that we have less than an orbit worth of history / reads both ways; I'd rather have some solid nit image built up against a guy who I know has a fold button before attempting.

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Old 01-07-2019, 01:14 PM   #9
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Re: AQ, overcards $1/$3

Pre is a bit big but its fine. I raise 15 at 1/3 after 1 limper.

I think turn call for such a small sizing is fine with 2 overs and being ip.
River is fine too vs his weakness on turn+river.

But that he didnt play many hands in 15 minutes is worthless info/ says nothing about villain because in that time there were at very best 10 hands dealt.
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Old 01-07-2019, 07:11 PM   #10
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Re: AQ, overcards $1/$3

You didn't post V's starting stack or your own. I like the float IP OTT as long as we're prepared to barrel if the flush gets there and give up on bricks. I'd like the call more if we had the As instead of the Qs though. $20 pre is a little too big; $15 is fine.
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Old 01-07-2019, 07:37 PM   #11
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Re: AQ, overcards $1/$3

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Originally Posted by Viral25 View Post
Looks good.

Don't listen to the nits above about folding the turn.
We close the action, are getting good odds, and V range consists of a high% of draws and weak made hands. I'm probably betting any K/J/spade on the river, along with an A or Q, obviously.


A high % of draws.. fair enough.. but what’s your plan on river? You think they’re going to stop firing their draws OTR? Or are you willing to call a $100 bet on blank rivers?
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