£1-2. Hero (£550) has a pretty tight/passive image right now whenever he 3-bets pre with strong AQ/AK/22-1010 bad flops come so he will check/fold as pots usually go multi way and thus will hit a lot of V's range. Table also witnessed hero get his money in on the turn with KK on a AA58 board for £600 POT versus drunk villain who hero busted when he had 56 so hero may be seen as pretty aggro also.

Villain (£100) - New to table just came from another table split, you can tell he's on tilt since he's already arguing and ignoring dealer about a straddle. Haven't seen him go to showdown or anything else yet though.

UTG limps, Villain in EP raises to £17. Next guy in MP thought he just limped and puts £2 since Villain only declared £17 before putting money in. Dealer says call £17 on leave £2 in and fold and that guy complains and everyone thinks he just folded, so action goes onto next guy who flats the £17 and button and SB also flat quickly before the dealer can inform them that the MP limper still hasn't folded his card. Now, the MP guy knows that CO-SB are just flatting so he flats the £17 to. I'm in BB with AQo.

Options
- Flat the £17, take a flop, however AQo doesn't really do great 6 handed.
- Raise to ISO original villain who I feel has a pretty wide range and definately isn't playing a range that has AQ crushed. He can easily have 22+ and A10+ here.
- If we ISO, to what amount? Make it £100 to put villain all in? The CO-SB villains have a check/call image so it wouldn't surprise me if Villain folded and one of them just flat the £100. Therefore would shoving the full £600 (CO-SB all have £300-600 stacks) be a better option just to pick up the dead money? (£87 in dead money)

Thoughts?

Interesting spot. Given you say that CO-SB are pretty loose, I prob make it 160-180. It's disordinately large enough that it's basically a shove, as nobody is necessarily strong from your assessment (Villain on tilt, MP limping then waiting for callers behind to call the raise, CO-SB being stations according to you). I don't like making it something close to Villain's stack because it's just what it looks like, and a loose player may say fk it and play with their weak hands that we're forced to play fit-or-fold against in a dry sidepot.

Reads on other villains really matter. If they might flat for 100, what are you ranging them on?
If you are playing, you are playing for stacks vs villain 1, so you might as well make it 100 to have any fold equity at all.

I'm never 3bet shoving 550 effective, can only get called by worse.

"fk it" is exactly what we want a loose player to say.

Ruffy, I like your idea to bet 100 to put original raiser all-in. Even good players sometimes overlook their opponents' stack sizes; I doubt this bet will sound alarm bells for anyone except Villain himself.

And we are NOT forced to play fit-or-fold. If Villain folds and some Rando calls light, we just got half of someone's stack in the pot with a hand that is way better than their range. That is great!

Now, if we hit the flop, we should value-bet if Rando calls too much and check-call if Rando bluffs too much. If we miss the flop, we should c-bet if Rando folds too much; we should check-call if Rando bluffs too much, or check-fold if Rando doesn't bluff enough.

I was obviously operating under the assumption that Villain, in the flurry of tilt, is never folding here (which is why I mentioned the dry sidepot part of my explanation). I guess we could also get real fancy and raise to 50 and reshove over his all in once it gets back to us (or be in a better SPR situation with AQ after the flop if we just get called).