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AQ 1/3 good candidate to triple barrel bluff? AQ 1/3 good candidate to triple barrel bluff?

07-08-2018 , 08:51 AM
Hi all,

1/3 game me and V have played I believe 4 hands together and I won them all.

V:I THINK he is generally playing tighter against me then most people he is playing against cuz I won every hand against him so far and caught him bluffing once. He is a middle aged russian gentleman. He can find folds. Sometimes he will bluff.

H: Younger guy. been card dead for about an hour and a half. Not sure if V notices. Playing aggressively overall. Someone made a comment "I'm not playing any hands against you because all you do is bet bet bet lol.

I am the effective stack with about ~$500

OTTH: folds to me in the HJ and I raise to $12 with AQ

Folds to V in the SB and he calls and BB calls

($36) Flop: 623

Checks to me and I bet $20. A fair majority of the time I will check this back honestly especially multiway, however, I am in position and can barrel a lot of turn cards. Some more back door flush draws would be nice though. Not sure if V is thinking in ranges but he should know we will not connect with this flop a lot at all.

Both V's call. Pretty much done with the hand now.

($96) Turn: K Both of the V's check. This looks like a very good card for us to barrel now so we do

I bet $45-too small?

V in the SB tanks for about a minute and calls. BB folds and accidentally shows 96

($180-rake) J

V checks. We can only win this if we bluff. It's nice that V showed the 6-less sets that V could have and I think V would check raise quite a but of sets on the turn as well. His hand kind of looks like a pair and a straight draw that missed. 4 5 would be gross. He can definitely have more two paie combos than me if he's playing very loose in the SB

I guess the only hands I am repping are AA and KK, 66, 22, 33 and MAYBE JJ that decided to turn their hand into a bluff on the river.

I bet $110 and he goes into the tank.

Thoughts overall?

I like my turn bet because I think he will fold a lot, however, now we are in a tough spot.
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07-08-2018 , 09:00 AM
I read the title and saw "1/3" and "Triple Barrel bluff". I thought "nope".

I still think that.

If this play has any hope, you gotta go bigger an all streets. Preflop go to $20. Bet $50 on flop. If V's are still around after that, I probably give up and check it down.
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07-08-2018 , 12:55 PM
Well played imo. Would you not play AK this way for value? You could do this with QQ for value as well.
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07-08-2018 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Calldown88
Well played imo. Would you not play AK this way for value? You could do this with QQ for value as well.
QQ is interesting I think!

AK I think is fair but I think generally I might only get two streets of value

I think I would check back some rivers At some frequency. Maybe even check back the turn to induce on the river
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07-08-2018 , 05:06 PM
Unbalance your sizing against this guy and bet more on the river with bluffs on this runout. Turn is good if you’re playing stuff like AQ otf this way.
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07-08-2018 , 05:23 PM
The only part I don’t like is the flop bet.
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07-08-2018 , 07:54 PM
Give up flop, give up turn. These are awful spots to be bluffing with A high 3-way with no backdoor equity. If you are bluffing all your A-high otf you are way overbluffing here, esp on a board that doesnt connect with your range and one that does moreso with the callers’

Otr seems fine, i’d size up though. Hand is pretty big spew
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07-08-2018 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Give up flop, give up turn. These are awful spots to be bluffing with A high 3-way with no backdoor equity. If you are bluffing all your A-high otf you are way overbluffing here, esp on a board that doesnt connect with your range and one that does moreso with the callers’

Otr seems fine, i’d size up though. Hand is pretty big spew
Never betting all my A-high here but definitely at some frequency I’m betting.

Turn I disagree. Definitely can get him to fold medium pocket pairs a lot and some random floats
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07-08-2018 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard32
Never betting all my A-high here but definitely at some frequency I’m betting.

Turn I disagree. Definitely can get him to fold medium pocket pairs a lot and some random floats
Turn is 3-way, and they have all the combos of sets and a lot of straights and pairs + draw, esp if they are fish calling 54o from the blinds. Not a good spot to barrel. And if you want FE, 45% pot isnt doing the job

If you are betting AQo here, you’re betting a lot of A high hands, not “some frequency”. Some frequency would be something like A high BDFD, A high + gutshot, the rest checking. You shouldnt be betting 70%+ of your range here otf

Bluffing river is fine exploitatively and probably +EV, but if you’re going 3 streets here with AQ you just have way too many bluffs in your flop cbettinf range, turn barreling range, and river barreling range

Last edited by Minatorr; 07-08-2018 at 08:54 PM.
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07-08-2018 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RagingOwl
I read the title and saw "1/3" and "Triple Barrel bluff". I thought "nope".
Same.
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07-08-2018 , 11:42 PM
Don't like it personally, though I will sometimes employ a "one and done" strategy OTF when IP with this type of board. I'm mainly doing it against Vs that I don't believe are sticky and that tend to call tighter PF, as they're much less likely to hit this board.

OTT you got a good card to barrel if you've decided not to give up. Gotta size up substantially though. You're still 3 way, and pair+gutter makes up a sizeable part of Vs ranges here. Giving V1 3to1 and V2 possibly 4to1 if he's in a spot to overcall V1 isn't going to generate a ton of folds IMO, and the same could be said for 7s through 10s. If I'm barreling this turn then I'm almost potting it with an $85-$90 bet.

OTR. Since we're here now, may as well go for it. It's a decent runout in the sense that it's unlikely to have improved Vs hands. Sets should mostly be ruled out since neither V has raised before now, and it's going to be really difficult for their modest 1p hands to call a 3rd barrel. $110 seems okay given the size of the pot and your sizing on previous streets, but as I said I would have gone much larger OTT. All in all I feel like this is a completely spewy 3 barell with a hand with so little equity, but now that you've arrived OTR taking this line, you may as well empty the clip. Vs shouldn't have very many strong holdings, it's just a matter of how sticky they feel like being.

Last edited by branch0095; 07-08-2018 at 11:55 PM.
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07-09-2018 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard32
Both V's call. Pretty much done with the hand now.

($96) Turn: K Both of the V's check. This looks like a very good card for us to barrel now so we do.
Notice how these lines are back to back... you were "pretty much done" but now suddenly decided to barrel a random overcard. Does this mean you were betting J, T, and 9 turns too? It sounds like you didn't have a plan for the streets, just finding reasons to keep barreling. The turn actually hurts you where you would probably often check 77 thru QQ, so the 2nd barrel is repping AA/KK/AK/(KQ?) which is somewhat narrow and may make V suspicious, especially a V who has lost repeatedly to you and may choose to make a stand with all sorts of pairs.

If you do decide to barrel turn I agree it should be bigger, at least $60. Since it is still 3 ways a larger sizing is more plausible for your value range (as compared to a HU pot).

River barrel feels dangerous against a potentially sticky opponent trying to finally take one down against you.
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07-09-2018 , 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by tuds38
Notice how these lines are back to back... you were "pretty much done" but now suddenly decided to barrel a random overcard. Does this mean you were betting J, T, and 9 turns too? It sounds like you didn't have a plan for the streets, just finding reasons to keep barreling. The turn actually hurts you where you would probably often check 77 thru QQ, so the 2nd barrel is repping AA/KK/AK/(KQ?) which is somewhat narrow and may make V suspicious, especially a V who has lost repeatedly to you and may choose to make a stand with all sorts of pairs.

If you do decide to barrel turn I agree it should be bigger, at least $60. Since it is still 3 ways a larger sizing is more plausible for your value range (as compared to a HU pot).

River barrel feels dangerous against a potentially sticky opponent trying to finally take one down against you.
The king hits hero or it doesnt, but having hands like 99-QQ you shouldn't be scared of the king....like come on. What kings does V call flop with? It's almost none, especially with no flush draw. It's a typical exploitative spot where "AK got there" and in the heads of low stakes villains that's the only hand they were beating with a 6. There's no need to size up & give yourself a worse price, but when I bet turn I'm assuming I'll have to bet 2x to take it down fairly often.

Hero being "done with the hand" obviously doesn't completely apply. An A or Q he's betting. A king is a good barrel card as well.
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07-09-2018 , 01:23 PM
When we play 1/2 and 1/3 and the title of the thread contains "triple barrel bluff", it is safe to say that the answer is "no" close to 100% of the time.
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07-09-2018 , 02:13 PM
I'm fine with preflop.

If I'm betting this flop, I"m betting much smaller. Heck, might even do a same bet of $12 on this board. I'm also fine with checking it back.

Having both villains call the flop is kinda meh for double barrelling, but if we're doing it then this certainly is a card to do it on. Again, I'm kinda ok with going on the small side (I'd probably go $35 myself) as I mostly think pairs are folding or they ain't and sizing doesn't make that much difference so long as it is a "reasonable" size.

I think by the river we're mostly targetting TT-77, and I feel that also makes up a large part of his range (unless he's super good at giving us some rope to hang ourselves with monsters which most aren't). I don't hate our triple barrel plan here, but again I'm fine with going smaller, like even $75, where it really looks like we're just milking him and he'll finally give us credit and fold the range we're targetting; also, a smaller bet doesn't have to work nearly as much as a larger one to be profitable (and makes up for those times where we do barrel into the nuts).

ETA: The one thing that always worries me about barrelling is that so often opponents have a stronger preflop range than we think. Like, I'm guessing he shows up with QQ and perhaps even AA/AK a lot more than we expect (who are legit tanking for fear of KK/JJ).

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07-09-2018 , 02:41 PM
I think OP was claiming the K ott was a good card to fire a 2nd barrel because if they called his flop c-bet, not believing him, or having their own pair, that they may now believe he is firing the 2nd barrel ott with AK, KQs etc.

On the river, V may be [depending on the type of V] thinking his 65s flush is no good. Or maybe the 2nd overcard to his TT has him frozen. In any event, I think it's a risky play & if it ended up with V folding, I hope you showed so you'd get more action with legitimate hands in the future.
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