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Anyone call with AA in this flop? Anyone call with AA in this flop?

12-30-2016 , 01:44 AM
Midium stakes live game. 9 handed table
Bb $490
I'm utg with $850 holds AsAd
Mid $ 970 loose agg
Late position $1300 tight
Btn $650

I raises to $20, mid calls, late pos calls, btn calls, bb calls
Flop Qs8s7h
Pot $103
Bb checks, I bets $60, mid calls, Btn goes all in. Should you call this flop, suspecting he's in some type of draws?
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12-30-2016 , 12:26 PM
I am new to posting here. I am I missing something. You have AA and 3 people to act to an all in bet on the flop. What can you do but call and go all in on the turn?
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12-30-2016 , 12:49 PM
Need a lot more info.
- What are blinds? 2/5?
- What is villain's image? Table dynamics?
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12-30-2016 , 12:56 PM
Depends a lot on our Villains?

Going to presume this is actually Low Stakes vs Mid Stakes. As Mid Stakes is going to be $5/$10 to $25/$50.

Looks like a $2/5 table so we're roughly 130 bigs. Tough to call a shove here with no reads. We went to the flop with so many people.
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12-30-2016 , 01:20 PM
Check the flop. Super wet board against four villains isn't the time to cbet oop. See how the other three villains act and evaluate.

I assume this is 2/5? I'm not folding here with the As. Some reads would be helpful. You're only a slight underdog against a range of QQ+/88/77/87s and some combo draws. You're a favorite if you start adding some Qx.
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12-30-2016 , 01:26 PM
I'm folding pretty quickly. You don't see too many people bluff flop bets of $650 all in after a bet and call. Smells like he's protecting his set of 7s or 8s from a draw. Or he could have a hand like 10/9 of spades. In which case he's a 52-48 favorite.
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12-30-2016 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Nice_Guy_Eddie
Check the flop. Super wet board against four villains isn't the time to cbet oop. See how the other three villains act and evaluate.

I assume this is 2/5? I'm not folding here with the As. Some reads would be helpful. You're only a slight underdog against a range of QQ+/88/77/87s and some combo draws. You're a favorite if you start adding some Qx.
If he shoves with that range without any Qx it's probably a fold unless he shoves a lot of draws.

With calling 570 to win 850 and getting roughly 1.5 to 1, it's a fold.

Add in any AQ or KQ hands and it's a call.

Vs this range, it's a call.

QQ,88,77,9Ts,87s,9sTs,KsJs,JsTs,5s6s,4s5s,7s9s,Q8s , Js9s, 3s4s

This is a fold.

QQ,88,77,87s,9sTs,KsJs,JsTs,5s6s,4s5s,7s9s,Q8s, Js9s, 3s4s

They need to shove a lot of combo draws and flush draws or should some Qx.

QQ,88,77,87,9sTs,KsJs,JsTs,5s6s,4s5s,7s9s,Q8s, Js9s

An even tighter range would give you 30.5% equity with AsAd.

Last edited by Dochrohan; 12-30-2016 at 01:49 PM.
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12-30-2016 , 01:45 PM
It's 2/5 game live
Btn is seem loose agg
Table is tight
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12-30-2016 , 01:50 PM
Prob gotta snap if he's loose.
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12-30-2016 , 02:15 PM
i think you're most likely running up against two pair (given the info that the button is loose he couldve easily came in with some **** like q8 or q7 on the button, not even considering 87s) or a set here, and button is trying to cash in on his image and get calls from people who have draws. you have shown strength at every possible moment and unless i missed something this guy is jamming with other people still left to act besides you, he probably has a made hand or some kind of huge combo draw and i think all you are very favored against here that he would shove is aq, which is a hand he might have reraised from the button pre. he is not shoving here with only one draw.
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12-30-2016 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Dochrohan
If he shoves with that range without any Qx it's probably a fold unless he shoves a lot of draws.

With calling 570 to win 850 and getting roughly 1.5 to 1, it's a fold.

Add in any AQ or KQ hands and it's a call.

Vs this range, it's a call.

QQ,88,77,9Ts,87s,9sTs,KsJs,JsTs,5s6s,4s5s,7s9s,Q8s , Js9s, 3s4s

This is a fold.

QQ,88,77,87s,9sTs,KsJs,JsTs,5s6s,4s5s,7s9s,Q8s, Js9s, 3s4s

They need to shove a lot of combo draws and flush draws or should some Qx.

QQ,88,77,87,9sTs,KsJs,JsTs,5s6s,4s5s,7s9s,Q8s, Js9s

An even tighter range would give you 30.5% equity with AsAd.
I wouldn't eliminate AA/KK. Probably not giving all six KK combos though. I think it's close enough that I call it off.

Note the real mistake here was cbetting the flop oop into four opponents.
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12-30-2016 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Nice_Guy_Eddie

Note the real mistake here was cbetting the flop oop into four opponents.
Cbetting here isn't great situation, but I think its a bit better than check calling.

Check calling oop on wet boards with vulnerable hands is just not a good line.
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01-01-2017 , 09:57 PM
So it likes 50/50% u guys call/fold here
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01-01-2017 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by niceguy22
Check calling oop on wet boards with vulnerable hands is just not a good line.
Betting oop into 3 opponents isn't better. We're checking and evaluating.
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01-01-2017 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Nl1000Living
So it likes 50/50% u guys call/fold here
It's close with no reads. All we have to go on is 'seems loose aggro'. In that case, it's probably closer to a call.
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01-01-2017 , 10:30 PM
Easy fold.
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01-02-2017 , 01:51 AM
Tell you guys the truth, I hold Ts9s in this hand; my opponent to holds AA. I am the one shove all in on that flop.
I see you guys gonna fold a lot on this flop, so my shoving is not profitable.
And maybe I'm gonna shove more often with my bluffing hands on this board in the future.
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01-02-2017 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Nl1000Living
Tell you guys the truth, I hold Ts9s in this hand; my opponent to holds AA. I am the one shove all in on that flop.
I see you guys gonna fold a lot on this flop, so my shoving is not profitable.
And maybe I'm gonna shove more often with my bluffing hands on this board in the future.
You make more money when AA folds I believe. you bluffed with over 50%equity but you still want folds here.
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01-02-2017 , 02:15 AM
Um... shoving Ts9s is obviously profitable there, whether 2+2'ers are folding AA or not. You have 15 outs against AA, and there's some dead money in the pot.

Cbetting AA in this spot or not depends on Villains. If they're stations, we miss a lot of value by checking. Checking makes more sense against thinking Villains who wouldn't call three streets with KQ and can make our lives difficult on bad runouts. (Remember we're 170BB deep and OOP.)
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01-02-2017 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Nl1000Living
Tell you guys the truth, I hold Ts9s in this hand; my opponent to holds AA. I am the one shove all in on that flop.
I see you guys gonna fold a lot on this flop, so my shoving is not profitable.
And maybe I'm gonna shove more often with my bluffing hands on this board in the future.
Shoving here and making him fold AA is absolutely profitable. If he calls you win 56% of the time. If UTG calls with AA (and the other caller folds) the pot will be $1423. You have 56% equity of the $1423 or $797. Of that $797, $650 was yours so you will win on avg $147 every time you do this.

The pot was $223 when you shoved so if he folds the AA, you win $223 every time you do this.

Your equity is higher if he folds. If they both call, then its a different story.

Shoving here as a bluff would be a big mistake. Too many people are never folding AA and you want a lot of equity for the times that they do call. You played the hand well, but it sounds like you dont understand why it was correct.
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