Underground 1-1 game...10 handed...lots of loose, bad players; many raised pots were 4+ handed...

Villain: Mid 20s Asian with Versace shades, headphones, and a decent looking gf railbirding him for the past couple of hours..overall, seems like a "meh" ABC player...fairly tight PF...he has about $250 (and is stuck for another $150), and I have him covered.

Hero: 50 year old white guy...although Villain was present at the table when I donked off nearly 2 BIs very early in the session, he seems to know who I am (as he addressed me by name, even though I don't know him), suggesting that he may know that I am generally a solid, winning player.


PF: Villain raises to $11 UTG, Hero flats UTG+1 with TT, and 3 others flat

Flop $55 (5 players)
JJ5
Villain checks, Hero checks, everyone else checks

Turn $55 (5 players)
T:
Villain checks, Hero bets $20...folds back to Villain who raises to $40...

Hero is undoubtedly way ahead, but needs to fade four outs if Villain has a Bdwy pair.

Hero should:

1) Flat, and plan to try to soak some more money out of the Villain on the river. Of course, if Villain has AK, Hero gets no more money out of Villain unless Villain hits a Q/K/A.

2) Make a modest reraise to say, $90 total, and plan to get the rest of the stacks in on the river.

3) Reraise AI now.

i like option 2

I go with option 2 but make it a little more.

I like option 2, I would make it $100-$110 range to commit him.
Nice turn card OP~

I personally like a minraise here, or a flat. I flat against a villain who may fold a KJ/QJ type of hand, knowing that he's not really ahead of anything you rep. So it's really villain dependent.

I like option 1. It gives him a chance a chasnce to bluff on the river if he does have nothing.

I don't assume that hands as weak as KJ/QJ are in this Villain's range for raising UTG.

Well if that's the case then I'd just ship it here. Unless you feel he's just terrible and plays AA/KK this way, he has exactly AJ and isn't folding ever.

If you don't think he has much Jx in his range and he is capable of min raise bluffing (lol) here then you should flat. IMO his range is AJ+, JJ+. I can see scared QQ taking this line very easily if he reads you for Tx. Combinatorically he has more overs/broadway draws that are going to fold to a repop. I like flatting and then making a large raise if he bets or a ~1/2 pot vbet if he checks.

A lot of this comes down to your reads on which part of this range he has. If you think he has an OP and won't fold, you should probably pop it back small.

I'm putting his range almost exclusively as AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AK/AQ/99.

I think we can fairly easily rule out 99 here unless you have a good reason for it.

If he has an OP and you raise now, he will probably call and then c/f the river. If he has overs he is folding now and you might get him to bluff rivers.

Therefore I think flatting is best here. Any extra money you make if he leads river and calls your raise or if he binks his straight is just an awesome bonus.

Remember you don't want to play the hand to get all the money in, you want to play in the way that you make the most money you CAN.

I like option one here, the chance of him improving to beat us is very slim and by flatting we get another shot at scooping up an extra bet on the river or even his stack should the river help him out

Turn bet should have been at least $35 imo. I'd prolly go for $40. Your only hope at that point is someone slowplayed a J otf, now has a combo draw ott, or has a stubborn 10 or pp. If they are calling, make them call $40.

As played I click it to $105 and ship all rivers.

"Keeping his bluff hands in" is pretty flawed imo, 1) we get more money more often from his value hands, and 2) his range is pretty thinned to value with a check flop and check min turn. He most likely has a horribly played AA or AJ.

I mean I guess quads could take this line, but yea just get it in by the river. the best way to do that is to click now and ship all rivers.

These aren't mutually exclusive though. In fact I would argue they are mutually inclusive in llsnl.

Questions u hv to ask urself:

1) will he play this way with QQ+

2) will he min raise bluff air when he could hv cbet flop if he intend to bluff?

3) is he likely to slowplay or fastball trips?

IMO, I do not think he has alot of QQ+ here. There is almost no bluffing range on this kind of board multiway. He most liKely has a hand that is likely to call a shove or reraise.

So my option is down to reraise vs shove...

This is a question tt u shld be able to answer better... What will ur reraise/shove appears to him? Which option will get him to go all in by river?

I agree that 20 is too small on the turn. This is a fairly inelastic flop and if anyone is calling they are calling regardless of our sizing.

OP doesn't think that AJ is in Vil's range. I would argue that a young "reg" definitley has AJs at least in his UTG range, but if he definitely doesn't, we have a lot closer decision. If we think that AJ is in his range, we should absolutely raise here.

I think that his range is most likely scared overpairs that will likely call our turn raise, but will c/f the river. He MAY, however, call a 1/2 pot river bet if we flat the turn. I think he is more likely to pay off our river bet with an OP than he is to call our turn raise. We don't know what he is doing with AK/AQ on the river, but the only way we are getting money from these hands is if he decides to bluff the river or if he makes broadway. I understand that this is the smaller part of his range, but it still must be considered. If he has AJ he is for sure leading the river and we stack him anyway, even if we don't raise the turn.


I would be interested in your logic on this one. What happens when you flop a hand like TPGK but don't think you can get 3 streets? Don't you sometimes get into a hand and think "I'm not going to play my medium strength hand to bust this guy, i'm just going to get him to put as much money in as he can with a worse range"?

I think reraising to 90-110 is the better play here. He clearl likes his hand and will have a hard time folding trips especially against a small reraise.

I also just flat preflop.

I probably take a shot at it on the flop. Typically most villains play fairly straightforwardly in a multiway pot, so when this villain checks I just put him on whiffed overs (although it's still very possible he's pot controlling with AA or slowplaying JJ/Jx). I probably bet 1/2 PSB and basically shut down if anyone calls. The pot's big, our hand is very vulnerable in a multiway pot, we have a decent chance at having the best hand, etc. are all good reasons for a bet, imo.

As played, I'd pot the turn. The board is now extremely drawy so let's get some money in. I'm not exactly sure how a 1/1 game works relative to my 1/3 game with regards to how easily people get in $250, but I'd be going broke here in a second in my 1/3 game with this hand and chalking JJ/JT up to a cooler, so my plan would probably be to go broke here too.

I'm definitely not flatting as there are some draws that aren't going to stick in any more money when they whiff. I usually take check/raises as strong, so I doubt he's ever folding a strong hand/draw. But shoving $220 does seem to be a bit of an overbet. Maybe the small raise is ok?

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I'm not sure if I agree that anyone calling has an inelastic range. Although obviously any Jx is calling (if not raising), and hands like Ax of diamonds are probably calling a psb, aren't hands like KQ, 98, non-nut flsuh draws and AT/KT/QT/T9 just as likely to fold for $50 than call, although they might be more willing to call for $20?

shoving is probably best since if you raise to 100-120 he probably knows that he is committed so you can probably get it in anyway. besides a shove has more "call" potential because it might look bluffy and raising to 100-120 probably looks stronger than shoving.

if he calls the 100-120 raise he probably also calls the shove on the river so why not get it in now? he's probably not folding AA/KK/QQ/AJ/KJ anyway (he might fold some but he will do that as well to a 100-120 raise)

however if you think he is able to bluff in this spot (min-raise on the turn usually means business) then call and raise the river.

so i probably chose a shove most of the time and depending on my read a call and river shove

edit: just realised that shoving is a huuuuuuge overbet, which might make it look bluffy/weak and might induce a call from villian and it's probably as polarized as a raise to ~110. i probably raise to 110 since shoving is just too big but im wondering if shoving is really that bad.... certain villians will call in those situations because a huge overbet shove = bluff to them