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08-28-2014 , 11:51 PM
Game 1-2 100 bb $60-$200 buy-in. Additional $2 blind on the button.

Hero - Has been card dead, started with $200, have been blinded down to $142. I did limp fold a couple times pre, and a couple times post to raises/reraises. Never coming close to flops or in any good spots to steal. The table was about 50/50 pre-flop, half of time time limping around, other half raise/3-bet-ish. I probably look like a weak tight NIT to anyone who was paying attention.

Villain - Unknown to begin with, arrived at the table maybe 15-20 minutes after I did and bought in for $200. His first hand he open raised to $30 from early position, and was called by a very short stack who shoved all in for around $40. He called the all-in and lost with QQ to rivered straight. He lost the next big hand he played maybe 15 minutes later in a cooler type hand and re-bought for another $100. The other three hands I remember him playing he won one lost one and split one. None of the hands stood out as spewy or evidence that he was tilting or I would have probably remembered more.

3 limps to Hero in CO w/JJ, (Hero's first raise since he's been at the table) to $15, fold to HJ (even the SB folded who normally does not have a fold button) HJ fairly quickly shoves all in for roughly $125. While I was tanking he seemed fairly calm.

Is this an easy fold?
Do people really limp/shove from the HJ for value?
If my image was different, is this an easy call?
If I have QQ here, does anything change?


I appreciate any advice or criticism that will help me improve the way my brain thinks about poker. Thank you in advance!~
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08-28-2014 , 11:57 PM
since you saw him raise 15x with QQ, i dont give him any credit for QQ+ here

i call and expect to see hands like 99/TT, AK/AQ

and i dont think he cares about your image. hes probably bought back enough times where he is just tilting and trying to chase losses anyway he can
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08-29-2014 , 12:00 AM
No...it's an easy call
No
It is an easy call
Put chips in faster
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08-29-2014 , 12:07 AM
I find a fold. Easy, no.

People limp/shove nut hands. Personally I absolutely despise it, but sleep well knowing it's VERY -EV and means they hate playing for stacks with premium hands aka hate money.

Image isn't making a difference in this spot. Always remember at 1/2 and 2/5: players are rarely playing back at you, more often what you see is what you get.

Makes no difference in this spot between JJ and QQ, even KK to a lesser degree.
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08-29-2014 , 07:11 AM
I would totally call. I think there must be some variance from place to place but where I play, limp/rr is often, if not usually mid-pp.

You are correct to take your reputation into account. If you were some aggro-monkey who raises every CO, villain would be motivated to limp/rr his premiums. But given your image, I would say he was set-mining, and then changed his mind.
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08-29-2014 , 11:55 AM
Snap Call
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08-30-2014 , 12:55 PM
for 60 BB im calling as light as AQos.
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08-30-2014 , 01:10 PM
I call. Worst case I think I'm in a coin flip, but sounds more like a mid-pocket pair. If he had a bigger pair then you, then why wouldn't he raise preflop? Is he hoping someone behind him will raise so that he can shove? Makes no sense to me.....call.
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08-30-2014 , 02:54 PM
Either your flipping or your drawing almost dead. He needs to have AQ or AK here like 95% of the time for this call to make sense, because the other 5% of the time you will have about 10% chance to win the hand.

Such an easy fold. There are 100000x ways to outplay people in 1-2 and this is not one of them.
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09-01-2014 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Nloppinfutz

Is this an easy fold? Yes. I have a loose rule: anytime you're allin preflop with JJ or AQ in a big pot you're behind
Do people really limp/shove from the HJ for value? Yep
If my image was different, is this an easy call? Prob not against this villain
If I have QQ here, does anything change? Yes, then it's very close,


I appreciate any advice or criticism that will help me improve the way my brain thinks about poker. Thank you in advance!~
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09-01-2014 , 10:45 PM
i would fold here. dude over bets big hands pre. also i get the hunch this guy tired of getting his premiums cracked
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09-01-2014 , 11:49 PM
if he were not one of the limpers and had shoved, i would fold pre. he raised to 15bb with QQ earlier so he clearly likes to overbet his monsters. however, since he limped in after multiple limpers and is short stacked, i expect to see AK, TT,99,88 the vast majority of the time. im calling with AK+, TT+ easily, with worst hands its a tougher decision.
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09-02-2014 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by trucdouf
I find a fold. Easy, no.

People limp/shove nut hands. Personally I absolutely despise it, but sleep well knowing it's VERY -EV and means they hate playing for stacks with premium hands aka hate money.

Image isn't making a difference in this spot. Always remember at 1/2 and 2/5: players are rarely playing back at you, more often what you see is what you get.

Makes no difference in this spot between JJ and QQ, even KK to a lesser degree.
I agree with the fold as the limp reraise is often the nuts. Your comment about QQ is not any different than JJ is way off though. It certainly changes things, and if we have KK it definatley makes a huge difference. JJ for me is right on the edge but I am snapping calling AK and QQ+.

The issue is I have seen 1/2 players over shove with all sorts of crap so JJ may even be good. Sometimes sure he has AA but he can plenty of other junk missed in.
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