1/2 live

V1 HJ ($287): 50's Rec player. I've been with him for about 2-3 hours and he's been pretty passive. He limps a lot. While on the more nitty side, I think he's mostly just been card dead. It's not like I've seen him limp and then show up with AQ.

V2 UTG ($400): Loose degen. Irrelevant postflop this hand.

Hero LJ ($500): Table is full of mediocre rec players so I have been opening a reasonably wide range and actively 3 betting. I'm active postflop but definitely not someone who is super aggressive.

Preflop:

Degen straddles,

Hero has QcJc, misclicks, grabs a wrong chip, and opens to 12, V1 says "15 more" and makes it 27. Degen calls, I call.

Pot:78

Flop Ac Jd 7c

Degen checks, I check, Rec player continues for 25, Degen folds, I raise to 80. V1 ships it for 260 total. There is 418 in the pot and it's 180 more for me to call. I call.

Analysis:

I think preflop is standard once the degen calls. Postflop the call is standard once I raise but I want to discuss if I should be raising here and what villain's range is.

Should hero be raising flop and what equity do you expect me to have here? Do we give him all the combos of AK? Any combos of AQ? Do we think he's ever losing his mind here with KK, QQ, or random air?

Reasons to raise:

-Villain bet really small, I don't think he would bet this way with a set. One of the defining traits of 1/2 rec players is betting large to protect. This feels a lot like QQ/KK or maybe even TT/AQ that doesn't love the spot they are in. We are just under 50% equity vs the most likely hands in his range after he has taken this line but we have a lot of fold equity.

-Even if he jams with a range of AA,JJ, AK we have 43% equity.

Reasons not to raise:

-Board smashes villain's 3 bet range

-We are getting such a great price we can just call.

What the hell does villain have? Small bet and then huge 3 bet just doesn't add up. Maybe he has top set and the small bet was a trap because he has the board kind of crushed in his mind? Is he just losing his mind with KK?

"What the hell does villain have?"

He 3b pre and cbet 3way flop, you and board block FDs. What else could he have than AK+?

I think your hand is close to 50%eq against his range, cannot do big mistake by call or raise.

Isn't the flop c bet a little inconsistent with AK+? Or do we just ignore the small bet because of the subsequent raise all in?

Stradle and 3b, V can bet smaller any hand. Ofc cbetting QQ,KK is a big mistake but sometimes happens, at least the chance a little improves your FE and value of your raise.

I'd fold pf once you "misclick." If you're making mistakes betting, your mind isn't in the game any longer. Get up and clear your head. If you're tired, call it a day. Lots of people lose lots of money in their last hour of play.

As played, you committed yourself. Got to call.

Result: Villain had pocket nines and apparently just decided it was time to go bananas. Had barely seen him raise pre before this, certainly never saw him 3 bet or shove flops.

His flop cbet we genuine weakness, but once I raised I guess he figured me for a draw and thought he could get me to fold.

I guess a combination of being card dead, repping a strong range, and it being 3 in the morning got to him.

Easy check call flop - you aren't getting better hands to fold (apart from kkqq which probably don't cbet) you have a ton of turns you pick up equity on and you shouldn't have a raising range on this flop anyway

Also obviously calling it off as played

People bet KK and QQ here a decent amount at 1/2 even though it's obviously usually terrible. AQ might fold to multiple barrels. KQ might also make this bet.

I agree That if there wasn't a sizing tell I think it's an automatic call. If he balances his sizings which I doubt then you are absolutely right. Even with the sizing tell you make a good point. His range is more weighted towards hands he won't fold but his range is very different than what his range should actually be when he bets. Given that he bet 99 and then went all in we know rec players just do weird ****.

The thought that I shouldn't have a raising range on this board occurred to me but I'm less concerned about balance vs a rec player I'll never see again. raising also reps sets here because the 1/2 population will absolutely have a raising range on this board with sets since they will very often raise to protect.

you should call this flop bet all day. He has AK or AA like 100% and so you have zero fold equity. Shipping basically puts the money in as a coinflip instead of calling and realizing your implied odds. If you hit you stack him anyway and if you miss you get to keep a few chips. If turn is a 7 you fold.