Hero($350 SB): 20s African American/Asian female. new to poker but plays regularly. at this table she is seen as loose aggressive. Bought in for $200 and got up to $450 within two orbits. Hero won a $150 pot with a villain going all in on the river with a wet heart flop. Hero had J9and called the shove. Villian had 8 6

Villian ($400) #1 BB: 20s Caucasian Man. He also plays regularly like Hero and Has seen Hero a few times at different casinos in different states. He is seen as a tight aggressor but over sizes his 3 bets preflop when he has a great hand. Hero and Villain have become good associates as we see each other frequently and tend to talk on the table socially.

Hero has the red 10s 10 10
5 limpers
Hero makes it $12
Villian #1 re raises to $45

folded to Hero
hero calls

Flop ($90-rake) 232
Hero checks
Villian makes it $65
Hero snap calls

turn ($220) is 3

Hero checks

Villian makes it $200

Hero??

I think the question here is whether you think $45 over your $12 open counts as "oversizing" the 3b!. I'd say not, but you haven't said what he has when you see him 3b! to ~3x.

Does he do that with medium PPs? With AKs? With Axs? Does he 3b! you the same way as other players whom he doesn't know as well?

In a vacuum, this would be a fold for me at the 1/2 NL tables I play in Schenectady.

-EF

Since he "oversizes his 3 bets when he has a great hand" I'm folding here. Not the only reason, but with your read, I think it's a pretty easy fold. Also I would prefer to put some thought into the flop decision. Snap calling could Send the wrong signal to V and it definitely does not give you any time to think, find, figure out, see any new information. Are you trying to indicate more strength? What information are you trying to convey with a snap decision?

If he bets big with big hands and he 3! to $45, he probably has one of those hands. At these stakes, Vs are heavily weighted towards KK+ when they 3!. It’s fine to call the flop and re-evaluate the turn hoping he slows down with AK, but now that he has bet huge on the turn and we haven’t improved it’s time to fold. Sometimes he’ll have AK suited with flush draw here and we’ll be folding when we have good equity, but even then we are not in great shape. The rest of the time we are crushed by bigger pairs.

since I set next to him, when his pre flop bets didn't go to showdown but he did show me the red QQs and AKsuited with he 3 bet.

at that moment I felt he had a high face card pair and that I either needed to make a set on the river or the board boated so we chop. so I had 6 outs on the river if I call him

If the board boated you would still lose to all bigger pairs because V would have a bigger full house than you. You actually have two outs against bigger overpairs (and if V is on the flush draw - in which case you don’t need to improve - one of the black tens is not an out).

Id turbo muck this pre

Your preflop sizing is terrible. With five limpers, you should be making it 20+.

With these non-short stacks and after 5 limpers, and especially if we're perhaps a little noobish, I might just see a flop here preflop and pretty much ~setmine. In any game I've every played, a $12 raise at this point is going to produce a a 6+ way pot; if our goal is simply to juice the pot for setmining to make it easier to get in stacks, ok, otherwise, meh.

We're only getting about 11:1 to setmine to call the reraise plus will be OOP (harder to get paid off). Even though we're pretty sure he has an overpair, we won't always get his stack (i.e. KK-JJ ain't gonna pay off on ATx boards), plus we'll get stacked some of the time flopping a T. Plus we'll sometimes lose money without flopping a set (like it looks like we're doing here). Easy fold to the 3bet, imo.

I fold to the flop bet. He doesn't have AK in this spot nearly as much as you might think, imo.

And I fold again on the turn.

In the blinds and non-shortstacked, you can easily treat TT the same as you would 55, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

A 3 or a 2 does not improve your hand against an overpair.

Even if you did somehow have 6 outs, that means you need about 7:1 to make the call (and even assuming IO you're not getting remotely close to that).

We were all a beginner at one time, so we've all been there. My advice is with non-shortish stacks to almost *never* build a pot preflop (with the exception of limp/reraising monsters) because you'll simply be getting yourself into far too many spots where you'll be making huge errors postflop in huge pots (which you need to avoid at all costs right now).

Ggoodluck!G

Harsh but I tend to agree, just scoop the dead money here. We dont mind taking this down pre-flop with TT. Also when we get 4! from OOP from a described tight player I think we can find a fold and only lose $20. You want to have at least 15:1 ratio to set mine against a larger pair which we dont have when he makes it $45.

AP, what do we think V has us on? If we weren't convinced earlier in the hand that he has more than A high, his case is much stronger now after betting flop and turn with this sizing for having a larger PP. If we call now we are just bluff catching, which is generally not a good poker strategy, especially against tight players.

$25 pre for 1/2, $30 pre for 1/3.

Fold pre to the 3! given V's description. At most tables where a 3! is JJ+/AQs+, TT is generally just a set mining hand most of the time.

Not to discourage OP too much - we were all new at some point - and I still consider myself to be learning all the time - but have you considered playing lower stakes for six months to a year, practicing at those stakes, then starting to grind at 1/3 once you’ve mastered the basics? I played free bar poker for almost a year (studied all the books too) before trying 1/2. I got to make all my stupid noob mistakes and it didn’t cost me a dime. Just my time.

I say this because you’ve made a couple comments in this thread that show you need to work on your fundamentals more. You can always learn at 1/3 too but why lose hundreds or thousands of dollars in the process when you can lose much less or win some at lower stakes? I used World Tavern Poker to practice the basics. They have games all over. Just my two cents.

results:

I folded on the turn and he showed KK

When you called the 3!, What went through your mind and what was you expecting to see OTF?

As well, whats your views about your hand,

- before the 3!

-when it got 3!

-when the FLOP came, and V cbetted?