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Am I limping enough? Am I limping enough?

08-19-2018 , 11:36 PM
Apologies if this is a repeat post, but I couldn't find a previous thread about it.

I feel like I'm not taking advantage of limping at 1/2. I only ever limp with weak suited aces and pairs that I'm not in a position to raise with. I've had good success this year, but I also get a lot of credit because I don't play many hands, so when I'm card dead it's very difficult to make money as I'm put on a very strong range.

I'm curious what you guys limp with in EP. Am I missing value by just folding hands like KQo, AJo, JTs, in UTG and UTG+1, rather than limping them. I know JT is difficult to play OOP but AJ and KQ can make strong top pairs.

I know how strategy can change based on stack size and open size, so I'll say that I buy in for 300 and add 100 anytime I'm under 200. I also open to 12 or 15 until I have a winning image in which case I can size down to 10.
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08-19-2018 , 11:42 PM
I would fold all the hands u listed from EP, with the exception that I raise JTs always.

It’s a bit more interesting as we get into later positions where I will over limp suited aces, small pps, and offsuit broadways

(im never the first limper ever)

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Last edited by hyperknit; 08-20-2018 at 12:03 AM.
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08-19-2018 , 11:49 PM
Limping should be illegal. Wish games would adopt a raise or fold only option.
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08-20-2018 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by wait
Limping should be illegal. Wish games would adopt a raise or fold only option.
lol you want casinos to legislate to stop people playing badly?

OP,

Limping in EP is generally bad except in games where raising preflop is very rare. In a normal game I only limp small pairs. If you want to open up your game and take advantage of more spots, limping more in EP is probably the literal worst way to do that.
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08-20-2018 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by wait
Limping should be illegal. Wish games would adopt a raise or fold only option.
just lol at yet another brain-dead comment from this account

OP, it's fine to limp a select range of hands from EP provided you are back-raising some frequency of strong hands (KK+ if your EP limp range is super tight, AK/JJ+ or even AQ/99+ if it's a little wider) from the same positions. the small pp and suited A-rags seem fine to balance a AK/JJ range.
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08-20-2018 , 06:22 AM
Winning poker begins pre-flop. There are four elements to winning pre-flop: Card Strength, Initiative, Position and Skill. The are not of equal importance for each indivdual situation, but as a general rule you want to have at least 2 of the 4 of them going for you and ideally at least 3 of them. For example, if you have AA, everything else is of lesser importance.

In your situation, you are looking to limp with cards that are good, but not great. In combination, you are unlikey to be ahead of all the other limpers that will go along with you. You give up initiative and most likely won't have position. Therefore, you've given up 3 of the 4 advantages that you have. Even if you have a significant skill advantage (which everyone overwhelming over estimates their skill advantage), it isn't enough. You should fold in preference to limping.

I know this is simplistic and ignores IO hands. However, poker is about winning money, not winning pots. It is hard to make money oop with an IO hand.
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08-20-2018 , 08:14 AM
Maybe you’re too tight in late position (just a guess based on what you posted). If that’s true it’s a much bigger issue than being too tight in early position.
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08-20-2018 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt98
Apologies if this is a repeat post, but I couldn't find a previous thread about it.

I feel like I'm not taking advantage of limping at 1/2. I only ever limp with weak suited aces and pairs that I'm not in a position to raise with. I've had good success this year, but I also get a lot of credit because I don't play many hands, so when I'm card dead it's very difficult to make money as I'm put on a very strong range.

I'm curious what you guys limp with in EP. Am I missing value by just folding hands like KQo, AJo, JTs, in UTG and UTG+1, rather than limping them. I know JT is difficult to play OOP but AJ and KQ can make strong top pairs.

I know how strategy can change based on stack size and open size, so I'll say that I buy in for 300 and add 100 anytime I'm under 200. I also open to 12 or 15 until I have a winning image in which case I can size down to 10.
Yes, you are losing value by folding those hands.
Raise them.
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