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08-28-2017 , 01:02 PM

Keys Kid

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3-5 game - Vegas - 6 players - wildly aggressive game

Hero has A

($1300) stack UTG and elects to open to $20

MP ($600ish), BTN ($500), BB call

Flop A

($80)

BB checks, Hero C-bets 65, MP & BTN call, BB folds

Turn K

($275)

Hero checks and all around check

River is an 8

($275)

The 8

is pretty safe card for me. It completes no made hands and if villains made a straight or two pair on the turn I'm fairly certain they would have bet. I decide to check and avoid any difficult raises. Also my hand is slim value at best plus the pot is big enough for an A weak kicker hand.

Hero checks, MP bets $200, BTN folds, Hero...?

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08-28-2017 , 01:12 PM

QuantumSurfer

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Some reads would be nice.

I think our c-bet is a bit too high. We want Jx and draws to call.

As played, in general, if we're checking this river, it's to check/call, not check/fold.

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08-28-2017 , 01:24 PM

Keys Kid

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Originally Posted by QuantumSurfer

Some reads would be nice.

I think our c-bet is a bit too high. We want Jx and draws to call.

As played, in general, if we're checking this river, it's to check/call, not check/fold.

You think it too high even with the club draw?

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08-28-2017 , 01:52 PM

Ranma4703

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I check the flop, or I bet like $30. Our hand is a bit overrepp'd with your sizing. Once turn checks through I'm confident we have the best hand, I'd bet like $75 for sigh calls, or check/call vs aggro players (or bet/call vs super aggros). As played I would call but it is very opponent specific - have you seen how this villain value bets?

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08-28-2017 , 02:10 PM

Keys Kid

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Originally Posted by Ranma4703

Shouldn't I play my UTG range like this? Logically I want to play A10off like it's a premium starting hand? Correct?

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08-28-2017 , 02:45 PM

QuantumSurfer

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Shouldn't I play my UTG range like this? Logically I want to play A10off like it's a premium starting hand? Correct?

ATo is nearing the nut low of our opening range. 15% of starting hands are ahead & 5 people, 3 of whom have position on us, haven't seen their cards yet. In a 2bet pot, there really aren't situations where we should be doing the same thing with our whole range 100% of the time. You're basically suggesting that we always c-bet with large sizing OOP. Good way to burn $ imo.

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08-28-2017 , 02:52 PM

samo

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In a wildly aggressive game, I'd expect a better ace to 3-b pre. Agree 2-pr+ is betting the turn in most cases.

As played, once river is checked, it is a standard call imo.

ATo open from EP is the norm 6-handed, however in the game u described, limping may be better. One would need to know the frequency of 3-b as well as estimated ranges.

Absence reads, I'd also go $40-$45 OTF.

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08-28-2017 , 02:59 PM

WehrmatsWormhat

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Seems like a fairly straight forward call if there are no reads to be had on the player who bet (aside from the table being aggro as a whole). At an aggressive 6 max hand, JJ, AK and AQ 3 bet pre, so the only hands I think you're losing to are AJ, A8, QT of clubs, and 22, and I think all of those except for A8 probably bet the turn. It also could be a missed club draw or someone with a weaker ace thinking they're betting for thin value.

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08-28-2017 , 03:42 PM

Amanaplan

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Fold pre.
Fold river. He has more vbs than you think - He could have checked turn w a better hand on that board, improved to a better hand sometimes otr, and its a bit too much to expect most players to turn SD value into a bluff after being checked to twice. Plus you have a Tc. He sized it wrong and I like a fold.

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08-28-2017 , 04:08 PM

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Javanewt

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I really don't like raising this hand pre from EP, especially at an aggressive table. I usually just fold it.

As played, call.

Reads would definitely help.

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08-28-2017 , 04:31 PM

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momo_uk

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Weird bet. Depends on player. I might call here. He's repping A8 only. Or J8cc.

Results?

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08-28-2017 , 04:46 PM

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Tomark

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Id fold pre. ATo/AJo are pretty meh hands that make mid level hands that dont do too well at aggressive tables. Youd be better off wth a SC.

Id probably check call it down from the flop at an aggressve table (which is why i wouodnt have played it), and as played, i feel it is likely V has A8/K8/J8, but occassioannly its a bad value bet with a weak ace or a bluff with a flush draw so you have odds to call.

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08-28-2017 , 05:19 PM

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Keys Kid

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Originally Posted by momo_uk

Weird bet. Depends on player. I might call here. He's repping A8 only. Or J8cc.

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Villain had K

I suppose he thought he was good when I checked the turn. Called the flop for the back door and gutter I suppose.

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08-28-2017 , 05:22 PM

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Eholeing

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Ajoff open, atoff fold

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08-28-2017 , 05:54 PM

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momo_uk

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Originally Posted by Keys Kid

Villain had K

I suppose he thought he was good when I checked the turn. Called the flop for the back door and gutter I suppose.

Yeah, KQ crossed my mind too, but you're silly if you think he's betting for value. He's turning it into a bluff to get everyone off Ax.

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