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03-23-2011 , 08:52 PM
This is the very next hand from the previous thread


I'll make this brief since I got long winded in the previous hand

Villian in this hand is older guy, very poor player. I stacked him once already today when he limped w/ AA and then paid off my flopped flush. He is super lose. Poor hand reader, only plays his two cards, no idea about pot odds etc. He likes to bluff and bet big. I've played alot w/ this villian and almost always get a buyin or two from him. He takes pots with me personally and has said as much. He dosn't like me, makes derogatory comments to me all the time, like "don't you have some dope to go sell." Or "your so good why are you here with us and not on tv tough guy"???? He always tries to "trap" me. Raises all in regularly despite of the size of the pot.

stacks
villian ~$225
hero covers

Folded around to hero otb
hero raises to $20 w/ Ah Jh

I raised big because I'm getting called by this villian 100% of the time in bb/button scenario and dominate his calling /3bet range.

villian calls

flop Qc Qh Qd

villian checks
hero bets $35 villian calls

turn Ac

villian checks hero checks

river 8d

villian open shoves for~$175 into a pot of ~$110

hero?
I'm including this hand because it was the very next hand to the previous trips board, This will make more sense if read second.

thoughts?
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03-23-2011 , 09:27 PM
I call and pray we're chopping.

AQs-A6s,KQs,QTs+,A7o+,QTo+ = 59%

AJs = 41%

We're getting 2.63-1 pot odds, or 38% pot odds.

If villain were a regular TAG, I'd tank call. Since villain is a bad, known bluffer, easy call. You say he can't hand read, but villain may be putting you on like 1010, and he has 55, and will think you will have a hard time calling. A good villain will realize this is a good bluffing spot in other words.
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03-23-2011 , 10:06 PM
I call as well, as played you could even be ahead if he has a little vendetta vs you

By the way you seem to be taking a lot of heat from ppl at your table
this may be a tad off topic but maybe you need to be nicer with ppl, I think one of the greatest skill a good poker player can have is to be the most friendly guy around
It is more easy to get money off ppl when they give it to you willingly.

I mean be nice to the worst player they will come again to play with you
make jokes, be fun to be with ?
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03-23-2011 , 10:30 PM
Easy call. Probably has mid pair at best. May even have K high. If he has q then no big deal these things happen. Since you checked A on turn he probably doesn't put you on Ace and is trying to buy pot.
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03-24-2011 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by crunchh
I call as well, as played you could even be ahead if he has a little vendetta vs you

By the way you seem to be taking a lot of heat from ppl at your table
this may be a tad off topic but maybe you need to be nicer with ppl, I think one of the greatest skill a good poker player can have is to be the most friendly guy around
It is more easy to get money off ppl when they give it to you willingly.

I mean be nice to the worst player they will come again to play with you
make jokes, be fun to be with ?
On average everyone likes me down here. This one guy started in on me about 5 months ago, he comes into town a couple times a month and always seems to get on me. Never a problem with anyone else, especially the rest of the locals, were good.
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03-24-2011 , 01:26 AM
lol @ description, it never hurts to have a little bad blood with someone that tends to tilt money away. WP.

as played I'm calling, if he has you beat so be it, but its so unlikely he has AA, and quads are like, über rare. tank call and then slow roll him when he turns over 99 or 88.
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03-24-2011 , 03:24 AM
Snap call. What does he expect you to call this massive bet with? Probably nothing. It seems more likely that he saw your turn check and thought, "he's scared of the ace", than that he flopped quads. I would call and expect to win, not chop.
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03-24-2011 , 05:11 AM
I lol'ed. You bet the flop checked when the ace hits, the guy hates you and wants to bluff you. Ok he traps. If this opponent flops quads u pay him always, simple as that. Same when he has AA here.

WTF is equity vs a hand range that makes no sense. HE IS CALLING 100% FROM HIS BB WHEN I RAISE THE BUTTON is the description. That means he has ATC... Where is the decision here? You played it perfect to induce this bluff, now call.
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03-26-2011 , 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Zebdula
I lol'ed. You bet the flop checked when the ace hits, the guy hates you and wants to bluff you. Ok he traps. If this opponent flops quads u pay him always, simple as that. Same when he has AA here.

WTF is equity vs a hand range that makes no sense. HE IS CALLING 100% FROM HIS BB WHEN I RAISE THE BUTTON is the description. That means he has ATC... Where is the decision here? You played it perfect to induce this bluff, now call.

Your exactly right, I only included this hand because it happened right after the previous hand I posted where there was trips on the board, that pot got huge and I folded a full house on the river and villian showed quads.
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03-26-2011 , 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by steady mobbin
lol @ description, it never hurts to have a little bad blood with someone that tends to tilt money away. WP.

as played I'm calling, if he has you beat so be it, but its so unlikely he has AA, and quads are like, über rare. tank call and then slow roll him when he turns over 99 or 88.
Mobb you were all over both of these hands. I called and he quickly flipped over 10-8 off, for a rivered 2nd best boat. I showed him the bigger full house and he berrated me for being so "lucky that he hit the river, or I'd never get his money." I usually don't talk **** but against this guy I couldn't help but remind him that this was in fact the second time today I got all his money. unfortunately he didn't rebuy.
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03-26-2011 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by patchohare
I usually don't talk **** but against this guy I couldn't help but remind him that this was in fact the second time today I got all his money. unfortunately he didn't rebuy.
Don't talk trash to this guy if it's going to make him not rebuy.
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03-27-2011 , 01:36 AM
You played this perfectly by checking back the turn, now snap 'cause you got what you wanted.
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03-27-2011 , 04:16 PM
Did someone say awkward spot?
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03-27-2011 , 09:22 PM
seems like a fist pump to me. /shrug
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03-27-2011 , 10:00 PM
not relevant to this situation but one of the funnier quotes I've heard to shut an old man up after he needles you after winning a pot, especially if he's targeting your age (go sell dope etc), was after a friend took an awful cooler from an old man who told him "now that you lost your money you can go home and watch sesame street, punk". my friend quips back with "that's okay, sir. you probably need the money more than I do, you don't have much time left"

I lol'd and the old man, embarrassed for being a jackass, left within 10 minutes.
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