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Old 03-06-2020, 05:46 PM   #1
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AKs in tricky spot pre 1/3 live NL

1/3 live on a Friday night. 9-handed. I've been at the table for 20 minutes. Have 110bb thanks to winning one hand, didn't show. I've done little, if anything, else.

I'm dealt AdKd in CO.

V1 is UTG. Raises to $12, has me covered. Gentleman in his 50s. My early, if thin, read is that he's a fairly regular player. So far seems relatively ABC. 90% sure this is his first raise in the time I've been at the table. Table as a whole has played rather tight, pretty typical 1/3 so far.

V2 is UTG +3. Has bought in for $100. Looks like a jackass. This is probably his 10th-12th hand, already has shoved over the top pre with AJs, busted against AK, rebought. He shoves, HJ folds to me.

I don't see a great option here. QQ+ seems like a reasonable range, and a shove looks -EV to me against a range even with V2 in the pot. I *maybe* fold out QQ, but fold equity is probably relatively thin.

Flatting pretty much turns my hand over even against an ABC player. And outside of flopping a flush I'm probably not getting paid off if I'm ahead unless this guy raised AQ/KQ UTG, which is thin gruel. If I'm behind and I hit, I obviously can't go anywhere with pot odds of ~2.5x.

Folding is ridiculously tight, particularly with the pot help from V2.

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Old 03-06-2020, 06:10 PM   #2
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Re: AKs in tricky spot pre 1/3 live NL

You don't need to win every coin flip. If you feel lucky, flat; if not, fold
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Old 03-06-2020, 07:06 PM   #3
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Re: AKs in tricky spot pre 1/3 live NL

Re shove. You're ahead of LJ's range, and you're ahead of UTG's range unless he's a complete nit
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Old 03-06-2020, 07:45 PM   #4
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Re: AKs in tricky spot pre 1/3 live NL

for starters forget your reads, there are none. 20 minutes is like 10 hands dealt so far. You have AK in position facing a 3bet vs a player you already saw jam AJ, just reshove, nothing else to think about. If UTG has a monster oh well thats what bankrolls are for, reload and try again. But vs a guy jamming 2 facecards and you holding the two best one's it's unlikely everyone is playing AA/KK/AK.
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Old 03-06-2020, 07:50 PM   #5
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Re: AKs in tricky spot pre 1/3 live NL

Regs don't adjust to table dynamics very well at 1/3 nl. 12 hands, or whatever you've played in 20 min. is not enough info to read anyone, except the moron that is playing every hand. This is V1 second utg hand and you range him on QQ+? No. His range is any suited A, any pair, AT+, any suited broadways and probably suited connectors down to 56s.

He [I]might[I] be aware enough to try and CR with QQ+ if the fish is always raising pf, but assume he is just playing straight up normal and his raise means you might be able to eliminate some pairs 22-77 and suited/connectors below 9Ts, but thats about as narrow as I'd credit an unknown.

I suspect if you shove here, you fold out pairs less than TT and probably all Aces less than AK, after all, he doesn't know you either and if he's tight as you think, he'd probably fold JJ as well.

Flatting keeps all those hands in and you don't have a pair here, given the V2 equity, I'd shove most of the time. Also gives you a looser image.
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Old 03-07-2020, 10:54 AM   #6
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Re: AKs in tricky spot pre 1/3 live NL

Thanks for the replies all. I've been away from the game for a while and trying to fix leaks as I get back to playing - this helps me see what an incredible nit I've become.

(UTG had AA, by the way, and I folded pre. So it worked out this time, though that obv doesn't on its own justify the strategy.)
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Old 03-09-2020, 02:46 AM   #7
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Re: AKs in tricky spot pre 1/3 live NL

All we can reasonably conclude about V1 is that he isnít a total drooling fish. He might have a strong range. Or he might have J9s and think itís time to get lucky. Who knows?

V2, weíve literally seen him do this with a hand that our hand dominates here. From the description, I can see the entitlement tilt from this guy from here.

I think flatting here works well. The raise is so big that he wonít be continuing with many speculative hands anyway, so we donít need to clean up the situation. Iíd rather give UTG a chance to peel AQ/AJ.

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