Table:
1/2, Wednesday afternoon.

Villain:
Middle aged white guy. Clearly plays a lot, but I suspect he loses money in the long run. Earlier in the day he limp/3bet from the CO to my btn raise. So clearly he thinks that I'm raising a huge portion of the time. He's been opening a reasonable amount. But always about the same size, even with limpers. Villain is clearly paying attention to me. He's in the 10 and I'm in the 1 and on more than 1 occasion I've seen him sit up and look around the dealer to pay attention to what I'm doing while he's not in the hand. ~$300

Hero:
I'm viewed as a winnig player. Been slowly chipping up as the day went. My cBets are getting respect for the most part. I've been seen to open a few weakher holdins pre flop. But when the money went in I've had the goods. I've 3bet people 2 times before. Both of them were not shown down. I've been at the table for 2+ hours and villain has been here the whole time also. I'm up from my $200 buy in to to roughly $450.

Hand:
1 random limp from EP
Villain raises to $15 from LP (HJ I think?)
Hero 3bets to $45 from the BTN with AK
All fold
V calls

Flop ($85) AK6
V checks
Hero checks

I'm pretty sure that need to cBet here, but at the time I didn't. When he called pre flop it was fairly fast. I read that as a pocket pair 99-JJ or so. I would expect him to 4bet with AA/KK (and I've got blockers) so this felt like a bad board to get value from. I wasn't too worried about the flush draw as there should be almost no SC's in his range. And he can't have AX.

Turn ($85) 8
Villain bets $55
Hero calls

River ($195) 2
Villain checks
Hero bets $135

$50/80/shove, not worried about diamonds in a 3b pot

Do you know what he had? A lot of people's l/rr range is just AA. I understand most of the time people do it from early but do you know if he was targeting you, or targeting you with AA?

Oh, sorry, he had KK. Some old dude limped in EP, V limped in LP, I raised to $13, EP calls and V grabs a big stack of chips and raises to "this many" $65 as it turns out. Both villains in the blinds were super passive, so I doubt he expect them to raise.

I'd cbet because 1) He thinks you're too aggro and fos so he's probably calling down Ax for all 3 streets, 2) Your small 3bet sizing keeps his range wide which means he has a lot of dominated Ax here, 3) It's HJ vs. BTN so he might think there are some 3bet bluffs in your range.

Missed value by not c-betting the flop.

As played I'd call river. You are only beat by a set. Villian holding AA or KK is unlikley. Villian's range could include weaker 2 pair or Ax strong kicker.

You repped a hand much weak than you have, so you have to give villian credit for wider range. Folding the river only with super fantastic tell/read that he hit his set. Sucks if he has 88.

The problem with checking this flop is that we're telegraphing a made hand, or at least one with showdown value.

For instance, we're probably checking this flop with hands like JJ/QQ, and sometimes with hands like AQ and AJ for pot control / to induce bluffs.

But when we check the flop, and then get aggressive on later streets, what hands are we representing? We would have c-bet the flop with total air-ball hands, like JT, and all of our small draws, like QJ and JT, and all of our flush draws.

We wouldn't check the flop then get aggressive later with JJ or QQ, either.

So we're representing AJ+ on the turn/river.

As played, shove the river. You're shoving I think $210 into a $195 pot, and if he's calling $135, he's calling his whole stack.

This guy probably wants to hero call you. Let him.

Bet flop, shove river as played

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Correct me if I'm wrong, my experience is people are much less likely to hero call a shove than calling off half their stack.

Definetly c bet this flop since you should be with 100% of your 3 bet range. I'm an advocate of betting smaller to induce.

wow...bet flop every time, I'm not a huge balancing guy at these levels but with these stack depths in a 3b pot I'm just not sure what the check accomplishes.

Bet bigger on river

Okay, so he's not l/rr'ing you with rags as a steal expecting you to raise the button near 100%. Doesn't have much to do with this hand, I was just wondering.


There are times I'd check back a flop that I hit. If I raised limpers with AT, i.e., and flopped A92, I'm probably only going for 2 streets of value. The fact that cards below my T kicker are on board means it's more likely to have hit my Vs' A-rags hands. Also, I don't see a lot of people pay off 3 streets with A4.

But here I'd bet the flop every time. Even if there are XXdd hands in V's r/c range pf, otf just go for fat value and then ott decide whether you want to price out a fd he might have or just go for fat value again. You'll have a good idea of what he has once the turn action is on you.

OOPS misread the river action. I like your $135 lead. I think a shove loses some value. Your bet allows many more worse hands to call.

I think when we check back on a AK6 flop and then call his turn bet, we are telegraphing that we have a monster, such as AK, AA or KK especially in a 3bet pot.

He checked the river so as played I would have probably bet 150 hoping he will read that as a bluff (missed FD or gut shot) so his KQ will try to hero call. 135 looks a little valueie

I'd bet the flop as well. With top 2, I'm not inclined to slow down until someone says they can beat me. If I'm worried about OMC, I'll check on the turn, not the flop.

I almost certainly bet the flop, but I don't hate this line. It probably gets max value from QQ-JJ.
If he has you beat, oh well. River is a clear B/F, I don't think he is ever c/r without a set.

I agree with c-betting, getting value from AQ/AJ and lower PP's that want to bluff catch your aggro tendencies (TT-QQ).

Turn call is good, raising gives away your hand. Worse has a hard time calling. Let him keep betting his Kx or Ax or worse Ax 2 pair. If it's a pure bluff you're not getting anything more by raising, and he might bluff the river again on a scare card.

V gave up on the river. He very likely doesn't have a value hand. It's a vulnerable hand or a bluff. Might as well bet for value, you're under-repped. Sizing seems reasonable, but it does look valuey, pot-sized would make it look more bluffy and callable, half-pot-sized or less would make it look more scared and callable. If you bet at all, he is short enough that you are playing for stacks now. Pot size is pretty much exactly V's stack, I'd bet like $25 less than V's stack, some people convince themselves to call if they can keep a little bit if they lose.

As played, if he check-raises, that would be extremely unusual and you're likely beat, but being committed (he's short), I'd call getting a great price on the chance he's over-valuing his hand.

With a board like this, Game theory says you hope he 4 bets you so you can get it all in. Give him bad odds to draw, plus you decisions are easier. Not to mention your fold equity.

lol what?

4bet me when? Pre? Because of this board?

I don't think you butchered every street at all. I think I would have cbet the flop as well but the check back isn't terribad. And mixed with the call on the turn I think it helps us get value on the river.

And dan9861, since when is 3x a small 3bet in 1/2?

Someone haz the confuse

I think you played the hand pretty well, I might have bet half, or a little less than half of the pot on the flop..

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