Table: 1/2, Sunday afternoonish. Maybe 12:30 or so. Most people are just sitting around waiting for football to get going. Overall the table is decent, with big pots at least 1-2 times per orbit. One action person just left recently who was helping to drive the pots but some fishy looking players just say down. Whatever.

V: Somewhat tight pre flop when he raises. And almost always on the bigger side. ($14-$18) He's pretty easy to barrel off the pot post flop, as he's got a serious case of mubs. ($125)

Hero: I should have a decent image, I can't think of any bluffs that I've shown down today. I've pretty much raised any time that I've entered the pot, and I haven't 3bet once since I've been here. ($550)

Hand:
V raises to $13 from UTG
2 folds
Random ($500+) calls
2 folds
Random ($400+) calls from the SB
Hero raises to $56 with AK
V calls
Both randoms fold

I'm never worried about the randoms coming over the top with a better slow played hand. They would 3bet 95%+ of the time I haven't seen either of them slow play anything up till this point pre flop. Their ranges are capped at TT+, AQs and the unlikely AKo.
My expectation was to have V either fold or shove, as I didn't really think he would just flat the $43 more leaving him self a stupid amount behind to play with, but that clearly didn't happen.

Flop ($138): XXX
Effective stacks are $72

I feel like I'm pretty committed to all flops here, but what is my plan now?

What are your plans on:
A high boards? (Check/call vs shove)
K high boards? (Check/call vs shove)
Q high or J high boards?

Thanks for the help.

A case can be made for calling to keep the unknowns in, but vs. a short stack opener and lots of dead money in the money, I will 3 bet to $45-50. If he shoves you're calling and if he flats then you're shoving every flop no matter what assuming you're heads up. I don't like that you seem to assume ranges and tendencies for the new players. How long have they been there? How can you know so much about them if they just sat down? Anyway, once you've decided to raise that's pretty much the hand. Get it in as fast as possible.

The randoms are not new players. They are players that have been at the table for a long time, 2+ hours. So I was fairly confident on their tendencies. I call them randoms because based on the action and based on what they did before the relevant decision point came, they because irreverent. But I understand your concern with casting people who I might not know.


I'm just trying to decide what sorts of flops I should be check/calling for value as opposed to shoving? What sorts of flops should I be shoving for FE as opposed to check/calling?

I'm never folding at any point in this hand once I raise, I'm aware and fine with that. Just unsure if there is any merit in not shoving every single flop.

If he's got something like queens he's probably not calling any more frequently on the turn than he is on the flop and shoving the flop will seem much more likely to be FOS so just get them in when there's that little left behind unless you know that his tendency is to shove for you or call a turn when you show weakness. Minus that read, I'm closing my eyes and going all in so that I can't talk myself into something silly.

I'd probably bet any flop. Once you 3-bet pre, I think that's your best option.

However, if this guy truly has mubs and will fold unless he has you beat, checking might induce him to push. If he checks behind, just fire most (all?) turns.

The only flops I wouldn't shove would be if we flop a flush or a boat. Just because if the flop smashes us so much it's probably not going to hit V. If we flop TPTK, there's opportunity for V's w/e hand to also have a piece, at least a gutshot and call ai. IF the flop is KKK, I don't think V is calling with QJo.

I've actually wondered in spots like this how many people would advocate ai blind. I never do any action blind. But when Vs leave behind such a small amount and we know we're shoving any flop, I've considered the blind shove because that's what we'd prefer, ai pre. Anyone do this, consider it...?

You dont have much of a clue do you

Preflop is a little too big. Shove on most flops except Q98 pr 1098sss type of flops. Check extremely dry axx or kxx

If you are talking about my ability to type, then no I don't have a clue.

My post should have read TT- AQ, but I didn't notice that till right now.

But as far as the range, I'm never sure but I've seen them both 3bet JJ IP and OOP pre flop, so I've no reason think they wouldn't now. We've been playing together for 2+ hours.

There's about $150 in the pot and V has about $70ish behind? Your play is either check or shove. You should never be better less than what V had behind. I would probably shove any flop. V could have made a bad call pre w and small pocket pair 22-TT

Shove and flop. If you check and V shoves you be getting ~3-1 so it would be bad to fold imo

Shove in the dark

Just shove. He's unlikely to fold say JJ on a 4 K 9 board or QQ on a A 5 5 board regardless

You might get him to fold the same hand on flops w/ all small cards, and you really can't fold AKs when you check and he shoves anyway on the majority of flops.

+1

Although I don't see how we ever check fold though after this action. So maybe just jam dark so you don't have to think about folding. You still have two cards to come and if you don't flop a pair hopefully you have some back door outs.

A high boards? (Check/and watch it check through)?
K high boards? (Check/and watch it check through)?

Once you raise this much preflop and he has such a small stack, you should be shoving your whole range here (72o+). As a matter of fact, if you somehow lost both your cards while the dealer was dealing the flop, you should still shove.

GL at the tables!