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AKo vs decent villain on 5 high rainbow board AKo vs decent villain on 5 high rainbow board

05-03-2015 , 06:48 PM
Hi guys played an interesting hand last night at a 2/5 table and would like some feedback on the way I approached the hand.

Starting stacks:

Hero: $500
Villain: $475

Villain opens to $15 in MP. The CO and SB both call. Hero in the BB 3 bets to $60 holding A K Villain thinks for a while then flats. The CO and SB both fold.

The flop comes: 2 4 5 $150 in pot

Villain is a decent player "buys in full stack, plays fairly good position however limps with marginal hands quite often, and has a fairy tight opening range." Against such a player, could you possibly just check this flop and give up unimproved on the turn since his 3 bet calling range consists of JJ+, AKo, AKs, and maybe 99-TT?

Thanks in advance guys!!!
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05-03-2015 , 06:55 PM
Yeah, I c/f flop here rather often and go for a delayed c-bet OTT often.

This sort of V is not folding to a standard c-bet here with any of his overpairs, and may even turn his chops into a bluff if you make a standard c-bet.
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05-03-2015 , 08:05 PM
3bet to 75 (a raiser, two callers, and we are OOP)

described villains calling a 3bet range has a lot of PP's in there but there are also a lot of AQs's, ATs's etc. and this is a flop where it's going to take more than a cbet (not that we have to give up, but if you do decide to cbet, you have to be ready to double or triple barrel on this flop).

He is described as not a very good player the way he limps a lot of hands.

I would make a $65 cbet (since we already decided to 3bet out of the blinds. We don't do that expecting to hit an ace or a king, otherwise we should have just flatted), so make a cbet there are plenty of paint cards that can turn.

The other alternative is (and maybe a better one), if we weren't going to cbet without hitting a hand, to just flat the raise if you think he is a very tight raiser anyway.

I don't know how tight this guy is, but if I do decide to 3bet OOP, I really don't like giving up so easitly. Just imo and how I would play the hand.

Last edited by Playbig2000; 05-03-2015 at 08:12 PM. Reason: edited post
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05-03-2015 , 08:05 PM
Decide now, are you willing to c-bet flop/shove turn? If not then check and see what develops. You should have the c-bet/shove line in your tool box but it shouldn't be used very often. Just check/give up in this situation more often.
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05-03-2015 , 10:05 PM
Idk... C/f seems like a shame. AK gonna miss a lot of flops, yet its still a good 3b.

Sometimes I cbet, 1/2 pot ish.

Sometimes I d-cbet, ott.

Happy to b/f this flop tho.
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05-03-2015 , 10:06 PM
I think your estimated 3b-calling range is way too narrow.
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05-03-2015 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Yeah, I c/f flop here rather often and go for a delayed c-bet OTT often.

This sort of V is not folding to a standard c-bet here with any of his overpairs, and may even turn his chops into a bluff if you make a standard c-bet.
But we have like 10 outs (3's,A's,K's) to the effective nuts and ~40% equity vs. overpairs.

I also doubt V's calling range is really that overpair heavy.

I'd c-bet just a touch > half pot. And I'm not folding on the flop, it's a bet/get it in.

You can take it down, you can improve on the turn, you can barrel (bluff shove) some overs (e.g. Q, depending on read), and you can sometimes get free turn cards when you check.
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05-05-2015 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Lapidator
I think your estimated 3b-calling range is way too narrow.
It's very narrow because since I sat down this is the 1st time villain has called a 3 bet. Moreover, villain limps many pots however only opens very few pots.
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05-05-2015 , 01:21 PM
I might c-bet ~ half pot, but I'd plan to continue on the turn.

How often have you 3bet? How does V see you?
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05-05-2015 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
But we have like 10 outs (3's,A's,K's) to the effective nuts and ~40% equity vs. overpairs.

I also doubt V's calling range is really that overpair heavy.

I'd c-bet just a touch > half pot. And I'm not folding on the flop, it's a bet/get it in.

You can take it down, you can improve on the turn, you can barrel (bluff shove) some overs (e.g. Q, depending on read), and you can sometimes get free turn cards when you check.
Hey Willyoman nice to hear from you again I assigned him such a tight range because this is the first 3 bet he has called since I sat down. Moreover, he limps many pots but only opens very few of them so I assumed most of his opening / 3 bet calling range consists of premium hands.
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05-05-2015 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GoGrind
... his 3 bet calling range consists of JJ+, AKo, AKs, and maybe 99-TT?
On this very flop, I'd probably c-bet and not fold if he raises.

Your c-bet can get him to fold AK chops, and you have ~40% vs. 99-KK.

His calling range can be a bit wider; getting AQ, AJs, KQs to fold is good too.

3, K and A turns make your hand. You could also barrel Q turns. Reads matter.

Without the flopped wheel draw, yes I'd be far more inclined to check.
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05-05-2015 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Yeah, I c/f flop here rather often and go for a delayed c-bet OTT often.

This sort of V is not folding to a standard c-bet here with any of his overpairs, and may even turn his chops into a bluff if you make a standard c-bet.
I would think check/folding this flop is a big mistake. If you haven't already got the best hand, you have ten outs.
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05-05-2015 , 08:11 PM
Don't 3-bet preflop if the only hands he calls with are equal to or better than yours.
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05-07-2015 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
On this very flop, I'd probably c-bet and not fold if he raises.

Your c-bet can get him to fold AK chops, and you have ~40% vs. 99-KK.

His calling range can be a bit wider; getting AQ, AJs, KQs to fold is good too.

3, K and A turns make your hand. You could also barrel Q turns. Reads matter.

Without the flopped wheel draw, yes I'd be far more inclined to check.
Hmmm interesting ... My equity against villain's range of AKs, AKo, 99+ is 37.1 %. If I c-bet to $75 and villain 3 bets we will get it in on the flop. The pot will be offering me 1.9 to 1 while I have over 2 to 1 equity making this play profitable!
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