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AKo, TPTK on wet flop, open ship or check-call/jam? AKo, TPTK on wet flop, open ship or check-call/jam?

10-28-2015 , 03:12 PM
$1-$2, late night, Sugarhouse.

H (SB): $225 - Only been at the table about 3 orbits, have shown down only one hand in a standard spot where I flopped top pair and went into pot control mode from the turn and won a medium sized pot.

Have also opened 4/5 hands but were all premiums or in late position and very playable, ended up folding TPTK twice to V1 when he raised my flop cbet, was shown a flopped straight both times.

V1 (BB): >$2600 - running insanely hot. On top of those two flopped straights he won a huge hand with flopped 2p against AA (he called a raise from OOP with 67o), and also got it in with TP and draw against another overpair and got there. Already had about $1800 when I turned up but had upped that by a dime since I was there.

He was also a total and utter bellend, but that's by the by.

V2 (UTG): ~$150. Drunk, nice fun guy, doing a lot of raising pre and had been 3betting and had seen him stack off triple barrel bluffing once and sort of bluffing with a medium pair when he didn't know if he was bluffing or valuebetting.

V3 (MP): $150. Very weak tight, not all that relevant to the hand.


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Preflop:

V2 makes it $16 UTG, V3 flats, folds to me in the SB and I look down at AK.

I pump it to $75 hoping that V2 will just ship over the top, or I will just ship into him with any A or K on the board or all sorts of other boards

However, V1 in the BB thinks for a while and flats, V2 and V3 fold.

Flop (~$180)

KJT

I love and hate this flop.

I have less than a PSB left, do I just open ship? Do I check and let this guy blast off (not seen him bluff yet, he's just always had it at showdown, also not seen him call off all that light)?

I can't just flat pre with my read on V2 right?

This may seem a trivial spot to most, but I find myself in this type of situation quite often, I think maybe it's to do with my 3b tendencies and sizing?

Last edited by TheGramuel; 10-28-2015 at 03:19 PM.
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10-28-2015 , 04:37 PM
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

111,870 games 0.047 secs 2,380,212 games/sec

Board: Ks Js Tc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.106% 50.12% 04.99% 56065 5582.50 { AhKd }
Hand 1: 44.894% 39.90% 04.99% 44640 5582.50 { QQ-88, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

IMO shove
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10-28-2015 , 05:34 PM
Pretty close here, seeing the this flop smashes V1 calling range. Would be better if we any any spade.

Its pretty close for me but seeing how 3! pre and keeping inline of what makes sense, I think I am shoving. V1 assuming he can think a little, has to know this board also hits our range as well. I would assuming if he does call our shove its probably 50/50 to the turn and river or we could be behind, with V having a two pair or a pair and combo draw
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10-28-2015 , 06:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BROKEinCOLLEGElol
{ QQ-88, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Can't decide if this range is way too wide or way too shallow, or about right. lol.
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10-28-2015 , 06:25 PM
What was your plan if only V2 called pre and you airballed the flop?
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10-28-2015 , 06:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by eldiesel
What was your plan if only V2 called pre and you airballed the flop?
Ship a lot of flops, check-fold some, check-call others.
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10-28-2015 , 07:31 PM
I meant on which textures were you going to do each of those
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10-28-2015 , 07:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGramuel
Can't decide if this range is way too wide or way too shallow, or about right. lol.
It would have to be wayy to wide given that you only have less than a PSB left
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10-28-2015 , 11:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kimoser22
It would have to be wayy to wide given that you only have less than a PSB left
Not sure how my stack affects the range we apply in this spot, can you explain?
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10-29-2015 , 08:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGramuel
Not sure how my stack affects the range we apply in this spot, can you explain?
He's saying that you only need 32% equity and the range stated gives you 55%, so you would need to prune it significantly for it to get close.

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10-29-2015 , 08:44 AM
Easy shove, and I don't think that its even close.
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10-29-2015 , 10:18 AM
Board is so wet that we can't check here. Don't want to give V2 a free chance at his draw. Also we'll get called a lot by worse hands.

Shove and hope for the best.
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10-29-2015 , 10:26 AM
checking is really bad as we let him play kinda perfect. Just ship if you got out flopped you got out flopped. Never getting away from TPTK with
SPR <1
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10-29-2015 , 10:47 AM
Yeah, the flop is a trivial shove, though I do understand why you don't love the flop.

V will call with KQ, QJ, QT, 98. Not to mention the possibility of some random Qx, 9x, other Kx, Jx, Tx, and more flush and straight draws of varying strength.

So yeah, shove.
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10-29-2015 , 11:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scrybe
He's saying that you only need 32% equity and the range stated gives you 55%, so you would need to prune it significantly for it to get close.

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Right makes sense.
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10-30-2015 , 02:52 PM
Anyway results.

I think about it and jam, he has AQ LDO and snaps and slams the cards in front of my face and says "Broadway Bitch!" and I see red. He chipped up to almost $3500 before blasting literally every dollar off (I got back to just over even) over the next 5 hours.
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11-03-2015 , 10:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGramuel
Anyway results.

I think about it and jam, he has AQ LDO and snaps and slams the cards in front of my face and says "Broadway Bitch!" and I see red. He chipped up to almost $3500 before blasting literally every dollar off (I got back to just over even) over the next 5 hours.
Yea well what can ya do
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11-03-2015 , 10:58 PM
You have 150 behind. The goal is to get it in and get called. Folding is not an option. I would bet 75 otf. He will call with ANY piece of the board, including gutter balls, backdoor draws etc. If he ships, even better. Remaining hundred on the turn will have him calling again as there's too much in the pot for him to fold now.

If he wins, chalk it up as a cooler and rebuy.
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11-03-2015 , 11:30 PM
Never folding here.
Is a pretty easy shove. Yeah he flopped the nuts but so what he was going in preflop in pretty bad shape. Bit of a cooler shrug move on
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