2/5... Weird spot... Drunk guy (probably in his 40s) sits down, loud, boisterous, seems like a complete maniac. I limp TT one hand before his button straddle. He raises to $100. I make it $300 (leaving him $50). We get it in on some flop, and my TT > his 92o...

Then he rebuys for more. He wins a big pot with a nutted hand, and suddenly seems to be playing much tighter as his stack grows over 200BBs. It’s been a couple orbits and nothing weird or overly aggressive seeming from him - he gets some big hands and value bets as normal.

He’s at about $1800 and I cover. I get dealt AKo in MP. I raise to $25. Villain 3bets to $225 in HJ. Action back to me. Hero?

Just flat. Dream scenario if he has a dominated hand, so why fold it out?

Nah. Raise and keep raising and gii gl

Doesn't sound like the type to make a 10x 3-bet and fold. I'd 4-bet large to at least 700 and jam any flop.

It's one thing to be LAG with 60BB, but super deep I agree with OP that he has tightened up with a large stack. Obviously, I am willing to GII and I'm not flatting here because I think we are behind.

It would help to know if this guy is a true LAG postflop and knows correct barrel cards. If he just makes mistakes pre by calling too much, then I think 4betting is better to get value now.

The dream scenario is a moron put in 225 at 2/5 and you already have history and he's out to get you and you have a top 3 hand. Keep piling in the money pre. Flatting is out of the question.

We really don't have a top 3 hand if we plan on piling money in pre. We have a top 15 hand in that context.

If you stove it with money going in pre, we only become a very slight favorite when you include AJ+/pps. AQ+/pps is a favorite against us.

Seems like a clear 4b if he’s willing to gii with 92o...

Aside from the one straddle hand, how often was villain making these types of large oversized preflop?

But 4! Stack off seems standard if you trust the description is still accurate

i would 4bet this hand to like 750-800. you are OOP so i do not really like a flat in this situation. last time he had 92o when he 3bet you so he could have any two. give him a chance to punt off the $1800 to you.

Sent from my SM-G900H using Tapatalk

Almost without exception every time I've seen this scenario (guy gets crazy with a small stack, gets lucky and builds it up - then turns super tight/ scared money). I think he might just have you dominated.

I think this is a call. It really depends on if he's 3B huge like this before (since building his stack) or if this is the 1st time.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

People either can’t read, can’t I comprehend or just don’t care.

The guy got $350 in pre with 92. Now he is sitting on $1,800. He isn’t getting it in here for $1,800 with a bad hand. He ‘has tightened up.’

You can safely raise to $525 and fold to a shove.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Maybe he won't stack off with his junk but you need to be raising m8 or you can call and try to hit your A or K and if he's 'scared money' he's still not stacking off unless he has you beat.

Sent from my SM-G900H using Tapatalk

Never mind I didn't read that he tightened up a lot. I'm still 4betting this hand OOP, but I also see value in calling as his sizing does scream a bluff IMO but you have to be able to continue even when you don't make a pair.

4bet/folding seems pretty bad to me. While I don’t think he was going to just shove any two cards to a 4bet, I think my equity against his range is still plenty good to call a shove after a 4bet.

He was doing that when he first bought in, but after his rebuy he was folding most hands (still very loose though), made a couple normal sized raises, called a raise or two, limp/called, and didn’t do anything too crazy looking after the flop.

interesting spot.

it is hard to tell if he has put his game back to normal or he is still splashing around a bit.

I would call and play the hand normally, assuming that he is not going to try to pull a giant bluff now that he has rebought and built up a stack.

but AK has too much equity to fold. and he might bluff off a fair bit of money after he felt the rush of winning a few hands.

I've seen this dynamic many times where I play. Guy will buy in shortish (50bb). Just play like a maniac/hyperLAG. Go through about 2-3 buyins, triple up or double up twice, then play a TAG game and crush people who are late to adjust.

Definitely reraise and definitely not folding to a shove

Way too much emphasis being placed on his seemingly tightening up in the last few orbits ITT

Raise/folding or flatting here are both atrocious IMO

Flat. 4bet would be bad.
He has clearly shifted his style now that he's got more to lose.

Do we really wanna get 360 big blinds in with ace high to a guy who's shifted his style and playing "much tighter" - I would wanna keep my range wide vs him. If he 5bets us he's probably ahead. I don't usually like flatting OOP and these type of players can show up with premium hands too.

in the 92o hand, he 3bet bluffed to 100, and only had 250 left that he called off a re-raise with. That's different than getting it all in freely with 92o.

Some thoughts...

* Flatting OOP seems bad. There is very little dead money in the pot, and if we're just going to x/f flops, I think we're going to lose money. Furthermore, I don't see villain going too crazy on ace and king high flops if I x/c or x/r. So we have to continue with some flops we whiff, but I have no idea what those flops are, or how to continue, because I have so few tells on villain.

* 4bet/folding is really bad. At this point I think there is at least some frequency with which villain will show up 5bet shoving a hand like J9s. There's no way I can give him only KK+ or QQ+ if he 5bets. If we're 4betting, we have to call off.

* Jamming seems like a viable option here. Maybe villain folds small pocket pairs. Maybe villain calls off with hands like AJ. Either way, I think villain's range is definitely way wider than just premiums, so I don't think jamming can be too bad.

* 4bet needs to be played as a ship on any flop. I can't imagine 4betting then check/folding whiffed flops. I guess I could 4bet small then plan on a small flop cbet followed by a turn shove, but I feel like this is going to result in a lot of dumb spots I'd rather avoid without good reads (like a min-raised flop bet). Therefore, I think I prefer a larger 4bet followed by a flop shove.

* Villains like this have a tendency to play perfectly against AK postflop, if my plan is to 4bet and ship all flops. That is, given that they've called pre, on the flop they'll usually call with any pair, but will be much less likely to if an ace or a king peels.


Results of hand:

Seems pretty weird. There's a chance he's a angling you all with the drunk act and blowing off a buy in early on.

It's a crazy big 3bet though. Maybe he's back to weirdness because it's you and he's made it personal after your first hand with him. It doesn't seem like he would do this with a premium hand if he's started playing normal-ish. At the same time, because it's you he might think it's the perfect time to do it with a premium hand.

I don't like flatting such a big raise OOP when I'm going to miss so many flops. At the same time I don't really fancy 4-betting to nearly 100bb!

Not entirely sure what I'd do but I'd take into account whether or not the game allows you to buy in to cover deepest stack or not.

The later shove with 97 is not surprising. Like I said, too much emphasis being placed on his shifting gears.

Highly unfortunate that you folded. Him showing an A makes it even better of a spot. He had a lot more Ax than AA.

A key piece of info in this spot is what he stacked off with the first time, 92o. Some people ITT are referring to villains who buy short initially, play loose and fast, get it in and either double through or rebuy for deep, tightening up thereafter to take advantage of their initial image.

There is a chance this villain is one of them but it's not high. Most of the villains running that gambit prefer to stack off with hands that play well against average GII ranges. Hands like PPs, JT, suited wheel-draw aces or gapped kings, things like that. They have an element of sophistication in that they're actually thinking about image.

A player raising 20x pre and then calling off 70bb with 92o is not running a gambit. He is gambling. Seeing this kind of action I mark him 90% chance as a loose, gambly player.

The second key piece of evidence is that villain is drunk. Drunk villains (a) do not tend to run gambits such as the above and (b) often follow unpredictable, seemingly random, and difficult to read patterns in terms of the flow of their play. Often times you will mark them as drooler level, widen up your calling ranges, only to see them suddenly tighten up as if in a moment of breakthrough sobriety, they've glimpsed themselves in the mirror and thought "fukc I need to reign it in". They can seem to fold for orbits on end, only to once again show up with complete garbage for stacks 20 minutes later.

Drunk players, while highly profitable, must be scrutinized carefully so as to determine what stage of this rollercoaster they're at. Talking to them and encouraging revealing of hole cards is critical, if they're deep and you like money.

These are the factors that would have inclined me to raise.

If you arent going to 4b you need to at least see a flop. Being OOP doesnt make it anywhere near a fold