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Hero (185) BB- 20ish asian been playing TAG since sitting down all hands that went to showdown were premium hands

V1 (170ish) UTG2- been playing TAG and has hit everything and built his stack to 800ish but then lost it most of it to 2 flush draws. Think he might be tilting.

V2 (180ish) M1- Asian ladies in her 30ies been playing really tight not much I can say about her

Utg straddles Utg 2, M1, M2 and Co calls I look down at AsKd I raise it to 40 v1, v2 and Co calls

Flop comes 5h9h2c

I am first to act.......

Shove or check/fold

If your going to bet 40 with 185 behind and u get tight players to call.....what do u think?

Preflop raise was too much. Your c-bet is only effective if its an all-in now.

shove all day

Given how we played the hand preflop and our image +1

if i make it 40 and get 2 callers this deep, its with the intention of shoving almost any flop.

thats not to say the flop is an easy decision, just that you should begin to think ahead in these situations. understand that you aren't that deep and that if you raise to 40 you can very easily commit yourself post flop.

since they both l/c 40, i think you have enough fe to shove profitably here even though its over a psb.

And to go in tune with what some of the other posters above said make sure we have a plan for the hand. In a straddled pot, villian dependent, players will often limp with a stronger ranger in hopes to, reraise or a range they are willing to call off a pretty large raise with. If your intention was to just take down the pot as is OOP realize that straddled pots in SSLNL isn't always the best spot. If we raise to $40 it's pretty much an awkward raise size and should be a commiting raise. I'd either like to see a smaller raise so we don't have to commit to a bad flop or a larger one like $50-$55 that clearly commits us to any flop... Just my .02.

I might make it closer to $50 preflop. That way with a single caller we'll have about a ~PSB that we can shove on any flop.

As played, not the greatest of boards to shove on as small pairs might look us up. We have less than a PSB left, so it's a clear shove vs check/fold. If we shove and get called in one spot, we give ourselves over 2:1 but not quite the 3:1 we'd like to chase overs, but it's not horrible combined with some FE. Either/or, imo.

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grunch: check/fold

you tried. raised big pre. got called by 2 tight players and an unknown for 4-way action and you missed. i'm shutting down.

i dont think an all in shove with 6 outs if were called ( hopefully) vs 3 players is plus EV ever.....

4way Im much more inclined to check/fold than to jam.

Ez check fold and reload

I think that 9/10th of the time, this is a check-fold. With the exact dynamics of the table that you describe (assuming your reads are correct), then this is a shove. With any different dynamics, then a shove here is pretty spewy.

That being said, you have a "TAG" and someone who is "playing tight" that have both limp-called a 7x raise when first and second to act. I've played with plenty of TAGs over the years and I can count the times that one of them limp-called cold like that on one hand. Also, the CO in this hand is last to act and there is no read or stack even though he is in the best position to ruin your jam because he can see what everyone else does before him.

I think the reason you are getting so many varied responses to this one is that I'm not sure how much credence that anyone is giving to your reads and that is what is really determining your actions.

Go all-in or c/f. I'll be inclined to shove to represent an overpair. Very hard for A9 to call with TPTK for all his stack. The only thing for sure you don't do a c/c trying to hit an Ace or King on the turn. That one is a losing play. Just shove or c/f.

I don't suspect 99, 55,22 called your 40 preflop bet because it was too big to go for set mining. Unless they are all droolers fish. Most everyone have big cards that now go in each others way.


AK

shoving is a spew. raise size pre is correct. wait for a better spot. c/f

Preflop is fine. A little more wouldn't hurt either.

On the flop I think we have to c/f this.

It's tempting to think that the limp/call range for 4 villains from $6 to $40 is all mostly high BW cards and that none of them are paired and they're all splitting outs ... I don't think this is the case. The later guys could very well have PP's in the TT-55 range, and there's a chance that there are some that are even higher just looking to dodge an A before getting their money in.

Who is the mystery CO? The CO stack size and playing style should factor in somewhere. There is no mention of that person and yet that person is in the hand in postion.

your bet looks like a squeeze. AI first to act looks fishy. The villains have QQ-88 and are not folding to this board and a cbet from a fellow tag. Since you have 2 more streets to get it in and the turn is a better draw stopper, why would you bet the flop even with aces or kings? A delayed cbet would be much more effective.

If they have anything they would both fold with and bet with, simply trap them later. Otherwise look at a free card since a check from a tag would look suspicious by a tag.

So your saying a delayed shove ott is better if it checks through bc we have less fe otf? Wouldn't your fe be greatest otf? Most opponents would find a flop check much more suspicious since everyone and their mothers are betting this flop with QQs-AAs.

Also not sure a range of 88s-QQs you've assigned both opponents is correct.

I have discovered that since so many people CBet so often with the lead, fold equity is lower on the flop than the turn on a board that looks like it missed the range of the original bet. People are putting us on a range of QQ+ and AK. There are 16 combos of AK and 18 combos of QQ+, so we are getting called with a cbet. However if we delay the cbet, it makes the play look more suspicious - esp if you play that way anyway. There is no reason to bet the flop to build the pot since it is easy to get it in on the next two streets anyway. In fact, since it will be super easy to get it in in the next two streets, it might make sense to check dark. That way they cannot put us on a range easily and this board becomes scary to them.

If I have AA-QQ I am delaying the cbet because money on the turn forces larger mistakes. So if they have played against me much the delayed bet is much more convincing.

C/fold here

easy check fold. anything else is spew.

How c/f could be a +EV

AK

I actually agree with you. First time for everything.

For those who said it's good raise pf, is it really ok? I play mostly 1/2, but when I am in BB with AK and it's straddled pot and no one limps, I make it 4x minimum. Then I add at least 1x for every limper. We have straddle and UTG2, M1, M2, CO - so my minimum here would something like 48, but because there is already 33 in the pot and tilty V1, I would make it 55-60 and call a 4bet of course. I would be happy to take it right there or in worst case play against one player or even get it in.

Also I don't see many TAG players to limp/call this kind of raise. So I would argue that description of villains is little off. TAGs don't limp/call broadways too often in my opinion, so either they have 77+ (which don't make them good either), or they are just bad and limp/called that wide range, that now they will not be able to fold if they have some part of the flop.

I am not sure if shove or check/fold is the best, because I just don't know the tendencies of villains - are they afraid of big bets? Will they believe your story? When players limp/call that big, I gues I just check/fold and find a better spot because on one hand I don't think we have that much FE - we are shoving 145 into around 180 and on the other hand I think they really can have hands such as 77+ which they will probably call now, especially the CO or V1.