1/3 Hero has $500 behind in the HJ.

V1 straddles from the BTN, solid player that is slightly on the loose side at times,
he has me covered.

V2 newish to the table but has been in a lot of pots, makes it $20 from the SB.

Hero makes it $70 from the HJ, folds to BTN who makes it $210, SB tanks then calls all in for $200.

Hero?

Easy fold for me. Raising has 0 FE as villain is pot committed, and you’re likely behind his range. If we call we won’t necessarily win when we flop an A/K, and could be bluffed off a chip (or make a bad call)

Villain needs a really strong range to 4-bet here

Stick it in his eye

Fold and it's not close IMO.

I'm not super happy about shoving KK here but I do. Folding QQ/AK.

fold

fold

Agree with everyone that it's a clear fold. You won't always be crushed, but it won't be often enough at these stakes to justify getting it AI pre with 167 BB. You're risking 430ish to win 770ish, so it's something like 2:3.4ish. You're going to be crushed here the majority of the time, and flipping a very small fraction of the time. Fold.

How big is the SB stack, are we also $500 effective with him? Unless SB has a small stack, I probably just flat the first-to-act-in-EP raise (which is probably a tighter range, although I realize he's been in a lotta pots, but has he been opening from everywhere?) and play some postflop poker in position, especially with no other dead money in the pot. I don't hate a raise against an active player / shortstack.

Facing this action I just fold. There's too good a chance we're up against the hands we fear plus an out or two might be gone. Cold 4bets are extremely nuttish in my experience unless both the 3better and 4better are extremely aggro.

GcluelessNLnoobG

What does your 3 bet sizing of 70 achieve? Please, if anyone wants to discuss, I would like to.

Sb makes it 20
Btn has a straddle on
HJ makes it x?
Sb has 200
200 effective

If V1 has light 4bets I would jam. Hand is 83 BB’s effective and it’s hard to imagine you not having 36% equity here.

I’m sure V1 wasn’t expecting SB to stick around so he’ll likely fold hands as strong as JJ-TT and maybe even QQ.

Everything about this post is incorrect.

You're leveling yourself.

1-3 players don't put $210 in Pre without the nutter butters.

^This. Strong Vs just aren’t 4 betting TT and JJ at 1/3. Even QQ is questionable. H has 30% equity against KK and 6% against AA. He has 43% against QQ - TT. Unless H knows V to be a maniac, which he doesn’t, there’s no way that Vs 4b range is highly weighted towards KK and AA, and it’s questionable to put much QQ in it at all.

Its incorrect to calculate required equity this way with side pots involved. We have to calculate our equity in the main and the side pot separately. We need E_main*600+E_side*600 >= 430 ignoring FE, which I think doesn't exist.

I doubt villain is ever going to put $210 in with TT-QQ and then fold for $290 more. I doubt he even has TT/JJ in his range in the first place. Those are pretty spewy 4-bets when they don't beat or block our value 3-bets.

JJ/TT are not spewy 4bets playing 80 bigs effective vs. the 3bet and 33 bigs effective vs SB. You guys must play in absurdly soft and passive games if you find that out of the ordinary.

If I was to guess, I'd say that JJ flats an initial raise in my game like 10x more often than it 3bets it (although obviously "it depends" on many factors). Heck, QQ probably flats a raise more often than 3bets it. And here we have a cold 4bet (a 4bet!?!?!) and we're thinking JJ/TT a decent amount of the time?

Gweplayindifferentgames,IguessG

You’re completely ignoring positions. JJ/TT are standard folds to this action
In Vs spot.

GG, what do you do if you flat AKo and get 3! by the BTN, and SB flats?

I'm curious because that's a tough spot for me to navigate. Assume stack sizes are the same (SB ~$200, BTN covers us)

Yeah, still not the greatest of spots, but still a much better one than a raise/3bet/4bet/call situation as the ranges will be *much* wider in a raise/call/3bet/call spot. As for what I do, I'm not sure and probably depends a lot on what I think of Button with regards to how wide he thinks SB is opening and how often he can light 3bet his straddled Button after our weak looking flat. Defaulting to a fold of AK facing a 3bet is never horrible so I wouldn't fault that, although obviously a lot closer in your example. However, if I'm flatting AK to a raise it's usually hoping someone gets aggro with a 3bet behind me, so I mostly lean to a jam here.

GcluelessNLnoobG

3b folding AQ+ is crushing in this game.

Shove or fold.

Depends on how loose BTN is and how he sees hero. Does hero squeeze often from LP? Is hero seen as tight or loose?

Also, what's the straddle? Is it $6?

aren't 4 bets super rare at this level and for these kinds of dollars almost always KK or AA?