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AKo in middle position, facing a jam on the turn. AKo in middle position, facing a jam on the turn.

12-13-2017 , 11:54 AM
9-handed, 1/3. Effective stacks ~$300

I have AdKs. EP limps, I make it $20. Button and limper call. (Pot: $64)

Flop is 942 with 2 diamonds. Limper bets $30. I call. Button calls. (Pot: $154)

Turn is an offsuit King. EP checks. I bet $100. The button jams his remaining ~$200.

This player has been pretty loose and I think he could be doing this with any of his Kings.

EP folds. I call.

River is a Queen.

Thoughts?
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12-13-2017 , 12:18 PM
Trivially easy call, you're never folding for $100 into a $550 pot.
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12-13-2017 , 12:48 PM
Preflop depends in what position we're in and how loose the table is. Preflop result isn't fantastic as it offered 2 players 15+ IO and yet setup an SPR of 4 where it will be unlikely we'll be able to get away from out hand.

Why are we calling the flop? Sure, guy might be donking a draw, but otherwise we're way behind, have RIO issues (such as if we hit the turn and yet are still behind), poor IO if ahead when hitting the turn (UI 9x is still going to keep paying off?), plus we still have the other guy behind us. Trivial flop fold, imo.

Weird turn spot. At this point thanks to huge pot and drawyness of board we might consider ourselves committed, so perhaps a big bet is warranted. Stack sizes are a bit awkward at this point as pot is $154 and yet we only have $250 behind (and looks like Button only has $200 behind); if we feel committed by a big bet (do we?) then a shove might not be horrendous.

How often does Button get to the turn with a K? I'm thinking not too often. Anyways, I'm not so sure we can fold at this point getting this price, especially if Button can overvalue. But we're smoked a lot.

Gearlystreetsaremeh,imoG
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12-13-2017 , 01:00 PM
I don’t like the turn bet sizing if you don’t know what to do when the BTN shoves.

I’d bet $60-70 OTT to get worse hands to call and fold to BTN’s shove.

He always has a set here, and sometimes Kxdd.
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12-13-2017 , 04:09 PM
Less pre fold flop

AP fine
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12-14-2017 , 03:28 PM
Fold flop, end thread. Awful call there...
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12-14-2017 , 05:05 PM
Your going to get run over if your folding all over cards to a donk bet on the flop. Make a villian dependent read and either fold or raise flop.

AP call
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12-14-2017 , 05:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdammon
Your going to get run over if your folding all over cards to a donk bet on the flop. Make a villian dependent read and either fold or raise flop.

AP call
You're going to spew money making continuing with nothing but overs in multiway pots (we're not HU here), especially against opponents who are rarely donking with nothing.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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12-14-2017 , 07:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
You're going to spew money making continuing with nothing but overs in multiway pots (we're not HU here), especially against opponents who are rarely donking with nothing.

GcluelessNLnoobG
Agreed, if we're on the button I don't mind a call so much. Heads up if I'm donked into I'm probably not folding to a 1/2 psb with 2 overs + backdoor flush draw.

People have so much trouble with AK, it seems like every other thread is about AK. Talking to players at various tables "I hate AK" seems to be a frequently uttered phrase.

Generally in multi-way pots I'm either hitting top pair or a flush draw, or I'm just done with it. It will hit often enough in 3-4 way pots to pay for itself without you having to really struggle to win the hand. In heads up pots you sort of treat it like a small pp that has more potential to improve.
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12-14-2017 , 07:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amanaplan
Less pre fold flop

AP fine
Standard open sizing at 1/3 where I play is usually $15. After one limper I usually add another $3-$5 so I think $20 is an OK sizing with a premium hand.

Folding the flop seems a bit weak with a backdoor flush draw and two overcards.

Spoiler:
As it turns out, the guy who jammed had K-2 (two pair) lol...
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12-15-2017 , 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by genio27
Standard open sizing at 1/3 where I play is usually $15. After one limper I usually add another $3-$5 so I think $20 is an OK sizing with a premium hand.

Folding the flop seems a bit weak with a backdoor flush draw and two overcards.

Spoiler:
As it turns out, the guy who jammed had K-2 (two pair) lol...
Set a new standard.

"Seems a bit weak" is not a legitimate reason to call. You should have lost $13 on this hand.
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