With these stack sizes ship, he has shown he can 3bet light with AJ, so his range isn't KK+. This is a great squeeze spot for him. Although you opened large UTG+1 he should know you are strong here making his 3bet look stronger. I still ship for ~100BB especially with the dead money

I guess it's time to break out the maths

We will use fairly simple assumptions based off poker stove and http://www.flopturnriver.com/poker-s...lop-odds-19147

Assumption #1: Hero will only continue post flop if he hits the flop
Assumption #2: In the case of hero hitting the flop he shoves and villains fold
Assumption #3: In the case of the flop having no A or K, villains shove and hero folds
Assumption #4: In the case of preflop all-in action, Poker Stove equity applies.
Assumption #5: V1 has a range of AJ+, TT+, V3 has a range of AQ+, TT-QQ
Assumption #6: Hero will hit the flop (one pair or better) 30% of the time and miss 70% of the time

Poker stove equity
Scenario #1 Hero flats 3-bet: Pot is $135 when action gets back to Hero. Hero needs to call $45. Hero hits the flop 30% of the time and wins, otherwise hero folds. We can construct the situation just focusing on the 30%.

EV1 = ($135 + $45) x 30% - $45 = $185 x 30% - $45 = $55.5 - $45 =
EV1 = $9.5

So with assumptions, EV of just flatting preflop is $9.5

EV of folding preflop when action gets back to Hero is 0.

Therefore, EV of flatting preflop is greater than EV of folding preflop, therefore flatting preflop is better than folding preflop (I stand corrected Daniel ).

Scenario #2 Hero shoves preflop. Poker stove equity applies based on above ranges.

Scenario 2A: Hero shoves and both villains fold: I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that this will happen "at least" 10% of the time: pot is $135 when action gets to hero

EV2a = $135 x 10% = $13.5

Scenario 2B: Hero shoves and both villains call: V1 has $125 behind, V3 has $165 behind: Pot is $135 when it reaches hero, in order to put both players all-in Hero needs to bet $165

EV2b = ($135 + $125 + $165 +$165) x .32% - $165 = ($590 x .32%) - $165 = $188.8 - $165

EV2b = $23.8

EV2 = EV2a + EV2b

EV2 = $13.5 + $23.8 = $37.3


EV for folding = $0

EV for flatting = $9.5

EV for shoving = $37.3


I kept the shoving EV simple as I didn't feel like going through the rigor of V1 folding but V3 calling vs V3 folding and V1 calling and what happens on flop if we hit our A but they flop a set yada yada yada. The above assumptions are good enough to get a ballpark feel with confidence which line is optimal. OBviously, you can play around with ranges and equity will rise or fall depending on what ranges you use, but I felt the above was reasonable given the info presented.

Don't want to get all technical but I got the pot at $150 and according to pro poker tools' odds oracle program hero will flop top pair or better ~32% of the time. These seemingly insignificant figures bumps the direct EV of flatting up to $17.40. And that's if the guy on the button doesn't call.

For the more conservative player a flat might be better than a shove. I guess it comes down to your risk tolerance.

If 3 better isn't doing this with only KK+, its a shove or a fold, up to you, u can take the gamble or play it safe and just fold the $20. Personally, I'd shove if I saw him 3 betting with AJ earlier.

If these are guys you'll be playing with again (or a long session this time), shoving has the additional benefit of helping your AA and KK get paid on future shoves. I love when I get to show that I'm willing to make big bets without the nuts. It can create some nice future action.

A lot of $1/2 players might even go into call down mode on future big river bets thinking, "well, he shoved with AK pre-flop, so he doesn't have to have a big hand here."

Shoving and folding are both correct. Calling is ok if we have position against the field and have a read that V1 isn't 3betting out of the blinds with just QQ+.
Since we have an unknown on the button,I'm happily moving away from calling as a viable option

Oh and the read on V1 3betting wide in previous hand is grossly exaggerating his overall 3betting range... that hand was straddled and he had the button

I'm folding here

If we call we're putting in 45 to win 212. We're 30% to hit the flop and we need 21.22% equity to continue.

I'm not sure why you're claiming that people will call with dominated aces and there's no implied odds with calling. It sounds like there is in fact implied odds. Then you recommend shoving which of course has zero implied odds.

In any case we don't need implied odds to call since calling is +EV in itself.