AKo facing weird stack sizes on the flop
Join Date: Jan 2010
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Pre flop:
Short stack (97$) loose player straddles from the BTN
Hero has AKo and limps
3 people limp
Short stack raises to 21$
Hero 3! to 65$
All fold to BTN who calls (wtf?!?) with 32$ left behind
First point of decision, should I have made the 3! bigger to just get his stack in right then? Should I made it smaller to allow for better maneuvering post flop?
Should I just raise the first time around, and if so to how much?
Regardless:
Flop: (~139$) : 3 cards
Hero? Are there any flops I'm not shipping it on?
Am I check folding everything that doesn't have an A or K on it?
Villain should not be folding anything at all here, like ever, getting almost 6:1, if we shove, right?
Bonus points, what do we think his range is pre flop when he flats?
Join Date: Oct 2012
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This is pretty funny that he did not just shove. As to your first question I do not think a bigger 3 bet is nesecary the one you made commits your both if he calls or shoves.
To the second calling here is definitely an option if you want more options post flop even min raising to 42 gets you pretty close to committed so making it smaller does not matter either.
As to raising first time around I would say yes AK generally merits a raise from any position and if you had raised he surely would have re raised you promting you shoving.
Short stack raises 10BB if this is 1/2 so right there he has JJ+ and AJ+ him calling and not commiting the rest of it makes me lean towards the low end of that range and even expanding it to 88+ but that is very low. You are probably racing with him.
There is really no way to justify folding on the flop unless he flips over his cards and shows you the nuts.
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All the money is going in if you 3b regardless of the flop so your never folding.
You don't give much of a description on the short stack. Did you limp expecting him to raise his straddle a fair amount of the time? If he's doing this often then I'd limp/shove when we're 50bb eff since a smaller raise doesn't accomplish much unless you think he'd call 65 but not 100.
If he plays more straightforward I'd rather just open raise pre
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Don't expect good responses if your posts lack crucial information.
Stakes? It matters a lot if this is 1/2 or 2/5 and what the effective stacks for the table are.
Raise to 80-100 pre to isolate, you don't want callers.
You should probably raise pre the first time around.
Ship almost every flop, you're not folding if he bets. You can fold a JT9 all hearts if you have no hearts. Villain should almost never be folding either.
As to his range, who knows? It depends on the player.
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Sorry, game is a 1/2 game.
Player is a bit loose, raising on the BTN maybe 25% in unraised pots, and he's raised likely 4/6 of his straddles as of yet, so I fully expected him to raise, otherwise I would never have limped pre.
Table is playing 200$ or more deep, and likes to call bets of 12$ or less to 'see a flop' with whatever two cards they think are fun, but anything 15$ or more, they shut down without 99+ AQs AKo.
I really expected him to fold / shove after my bet. I just never expected him to call the 65$ instead of one of the other two.
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I think if your going to limp/reraise this opponent preflop you have to make it for his entire stack.
His range could be 1010+AQs+AKo,and possibly 99, AJs, and AQo
As far as flops go, shove regardless.
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you cannot fold no matter what the flop is. The pots 148 and u have 32 behind.
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I'm putting money in there before the flop even comes out. /thread.
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Just shove wtf this hand not post worthy