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Old 05-16-2019, 09:12 PM   #1
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AKhh - facing a raise and 3bet jam short stack

Hero 1/2 live with 180$

Mp1 is the big stack with $1k~. He stacked some fish 3 times who has been playing basically ATC. See him watching Lex stream on his phone. Seems like a solid player.

Hero AhKh in sb

Mp1 raise to 10$, mp2 jams for 30$, folds to hero, hero?
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:22 PM   #2
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Re: AKhh - facing a raise and 3bet jam short stack

Definitely 4-betting. If you just flat you end up OOP with a small SPR and a dry side-pot. I'd probably just rip it in here.
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Old 05-17-2019, 08:47 AM   #3
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Re: AKhh - facing a raise and 3bet jam short stack

Generally either $90 or just shove now. Which is better depends on how MP1 will look at the situation, a shove actually looks weaker to many players.

If MP1 is opening tight and MP2 is very tight on his shove you can also make a tight fold. If MP2 is only shoving strong hands your advantage against his range may not be big and the risk that MP1 actually has a strong hand may push EV into the negative.
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Old 05-17-2019, 09:16 AM   #4
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Re: AKhh - facing a raise and 3bet jam short stack

Shove it in, imo. Will actually look more like you don't want a call, so the big stack may look you up a bit lighter.
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Old 05-17-2019, 09:23 AM   #5
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Re: AKhh - facing a raise and 3bet jam short stack

Definitely not flatting, but stacks are awkward for a normal 4b size and a shove. I just chunk in the stack to deny MP1 the chance to flat a smaller 4b and get it in with a pocket pair on a favorable flop. I think MP1 can play the flop pretty well a lot of the time if we small 4b.
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Old 05-17-2019, 09:39 AM   #6
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Re: AKhh - facing a raise and 3bet jam short stack

Watching Lex's stream on his phone, that's super valuable information...seriously. That tells me the main V is probably a better than average 1/2 player for sure. With that information, if you shove I think you're getting called by a tight range AK & QQ+, maybe JJ. I don't see this person calling off light here, especially if the fish is still in the game. However, I do think it's possible that if you flat the big stack villain could ship it in hopes to isolate.

I don't think a shove is a bad play in your spot, but the shove is just so small that its kind of disappointing to iso-shove with your hand to win a $70 pot. If the shove was like $40 or $50, I'd be more inclined to shove, but I think flatting might be the best route to go here (if you're trying to play for stacks against main V).
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Old 05-17-2019, 09:52 AM   #7
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Re: AKhh - facing a raise and 3bet jam short stack

I actually want to flat and hope he raises, which he should, and then rip it in. If he flats behind, I'm donking or check/shoving almost every flop.
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Old 05-17-2019, 07:33 PM   #8
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The problem w/ flatting is that MP1 can now call with, like, everything in his open range and then just play perfect postflop versus us. Like okay sure he might call once with a slightly weaker ace if we bet the A high board.

I think I like the small 4 bet here. To like 60 if we're on 180.
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Old 05-17-2019, 08:16 PM   #9
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Re: AKhh - facing a raise and 3bet jam short stack

I would like a flat if we somehow had a loose/fish image. MP would iso shove most of his range if he thought we're wide.

If he suspects at all that we're tight/good it's going to be too obvious we have a premium when we flat. Anything strong enough to flat is strong enough to shove.
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Old 05-17-2019, 08:55 PM   #10
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Re: AKhh - facing a raise and 3bet jam short stack

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The problem w/ flatting is that MP1 can now call with, like, everything in his open range and then just play perfect postflop versus us. Like okay sure he might call once with a slightly weaker ace if we bet the A high board.

I think I like the small 4 bet here. To like 60 if we're on 180.
This is actually exactly what I did. I made it 60$. MP1 just flat. Planned on shoving basically any flop. Flop was AJ5r. I jam, he snap calls with JJ and scoops

I thought he would think my small raise would look weak. Like I was scared to GII but wanted to try to iso. Looking back though I cant tell if a shove would have a better effect of that image.
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Old 05-17-2019, 08:58 PM   #11
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This is actually exactly what I did. I made it 60$. MP1 just flat. Planned on shoving basically any flop. Flop was AJ5r. I jam, he snap calls with JJ and scoops



I thought he would think my small raise would look weak. Like I was scared to GII but wanted to try to iso. Looking back though I cant tell if a shove would have a better effect of that image.

I mean this is just a setup. He shouldn’t fold to 60 or a jam. I’m cool with this. Might bet tiny on this flop since the side pot is small.


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Old 05-17-2019, 10:36 PM   #12
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Re: AKhh - facing a raise and 3bet jam short stack

Yeah, I prefer the jam, but this was going in no matter what.
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