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Old 05-28-2016, 06:38 AM   #1
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AK vs Flop C/R

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V2 (Straddle) Mid 30s Male: Very loose aggressive preflop and on the flop. Relatively straightforward on later streets. Calls most 3-bets.
Plays hyper aggressive preflop at times; raising to $50 first to act and 3-betting from $30 to $150 several times (unusually large raise sizes).
In one hand 80bbs eff, he raised 36 from UTG to $40, called a 3-bet and shoved on a K67 first to act in a HU pot.
V3 (UTG) Mid 30s Male: Straightforward, ABC poker
V1 (SB) Mid 30s Female: Straightforward, ABC poker
Hero (MP) Playing straightforward. Mostly, missing and check/folding in multiway pots.

Preflop: UTG raises to $45, I call with AK, SB calls, Straddle calls.

Flop (~$185): AJ3

SB checks, Straddle checks, UTG checks, I bet $120, SB folds, Straddle goes all-in for $620 total, UTG folds, I...?
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Old 05-28-2016, 09:54 AM   #2
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Re: AK vs Flop C/R

Lol this guy again?

I would strongly consider 3betting preflop. This table seems very loose and we want to have position in the hand. We can get away from our hand easily if the tight player 4bets us and he may even fold hands like 99-JJ or possibly AK.

As played, this is another spot where we hate folding because it seems so exploitable, but unless V's are shoving flush draws and weak Aces, we just cant continue here. Sometimes you will have sessions where you just keep running into monsters. The looser the game, the more likely it will happen.

we will beat this guy in the long run by not paying him off when he luck boxes, and just let him bleed his stack to us by playing too loose.
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Old 05-28-2016, 11:00 AM   #3
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Re: AK vs Flop C/R

I hate this spot... The right, rational thing to do is fold. Your flop bet is definitely screaming at least top pair decent kicker - and Villain is merrily pushing over. However, there are two reasons to consider calling... 1. Your villain seems taken with big splashy bluff/semi-bluffs and 2. You've under-repped your hand a bit... he not believe AK is in your range with the smooth call preflop.

But i still think its a fold.
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Old 05-28-2016, 07:50 PM   #4
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Re: AK vs Flop C/R

I'd re-raise AKss in MP.

This V has shown some gambling tendencies and shouldn't get much respect from his c/r. Looks like after UTG raiser checked it gave him the green light to jam his FD/SD type hands vs a field bet. I would't fold against this guy, mostly read dependent tho.
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Old 05-28-2016, 08:01 PM   #5
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Re: AK vs Flop C/R

I'm never ever folding this spot against an overly Aggro and its more about the scenario that unfolded here: look how big he pot has already gotten, in a huge straddled 4 way pot your at 185 on the flop, with your bet the pot is 300. Try to look at it from his perspective:

If he check raise shoves a draw here, he can take down 300 or have some equity if called, if he flopped something like AK/AQ this looks equally attractive as a CRAI, if he flipped absolute gin like AJ/33 you really think he would play it like this?

I'm calling this off all day until I see evidence of him jamming the nuts into people and blowing them off their hands.

Also an insane amount of combo draws are present...KQdd/KJdd/KTdd/ I'd be absolutely blown away if he shows a better made hand here.
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Old 05-28-2016, 08:08 PM   #6
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Re: AK vs Flop C/R

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I hate this spot... The right, rational thing to do is fold. Your flop bet is definitely screaming at least top pair decent kicker - and Villain is merrily pushing over. However, there are two reasons to consider calling... 1. Your villain seems taken with big splashy bluff/semi-bluffs and 2. You've under-repped your hand a bit... he not believe AK is in your range with the smooth call preflop.

But i still think its a fold.
Jake I'm disappointed you, must be the nit in you talking haha. I can't imagine this dude shoving double the PSB with the nuts. And if he's Aggro I'd think he's squeezing AA/JJ/AK.
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Old 05-29-2016, 08:01 AM   #7
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Re: AK vs Flop C/R

Yeah I don't see how we can fold here. The only hands that I'm worried about are AJ, A3, and 33. Based on V's description I think he's re-popping AA and JJ pre-flop. I also think he wouldn't play AJ or 33 so fast and would likely c/r not all in, but to a lesser amount.

That leaves SO many more combo draws in his range than hands that are ahead and even A3 we've got some outs against.
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Old 05-29-2016, 03:14 PM   #8
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If we keep b/f OPs and TPTK to this lag who keeps c/s FD flops, what are we calling off with? Just 2P+? If that's the case, he's just going to steam roll us...or we should stop betting anything less than 2P.

Once again, there are a ton of combo draws he could have, plus naked FDs, plus worse Ax. We've already seen him shove BP+FD. And how can he know we're as strong as AK?

Can't fold these strong hands to known lags. I'd snap fold to a c/s by a nit, but not to this guy.
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Old 05-29-2016, 03:20 PM   #9
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we will beat this guy in the long run by not paying him off when he luck boxes, and just let him bleed his stack to us by playing too loose.
How do we plan to beat this guy when we're folding QQ OP and AK TPTK to him? When he check shoves and we fold big hands to him over and over again, he's growing his stack. And by big chunks too. It's our stack that's bleeding, not his.

Folding OP and TPTK is not "not paying him off when he luck boxes", it's playing weak tight and scared.
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Old 05-29-2016, 04:33 PM   #10
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Re: AK vs Flop C/R

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Old 05-29-2016, 05:40 PM   #11
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Re: AK vs Flop C/R

Seems like a call to me
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Old 05-29-2016, 08:11 PM   #12
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Re: AK vs Flop C/R

V has already shoved bottom pair + FD? Never ever ever folding here gambooooollll!!!!
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Old 05-29-2016, 08:59 PM   #13
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Re: AK vs Flop C/R

I think vs. this guy we have to call it off. There's $925 in already and it's $500 to call, so we need like 35%? Tough to find a range for the villain that we shouldn't call against.

I mean if we go to what I think is a worst case scenario we have this:

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: Ad3dJc
Equity Win Tie
MP2 28.63% 28.47% 0.16% { AsKs }
MP3 71.37% 71.22% 0.16% { JJ, 33, A3s, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, KdTd, QdTd, JdTd }

But I think something like this is more likely:

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: Ad3dJc
Equity Win Tie
MP2 41.79% 41.60% 0.19% { AsKs }
MP3 58.21% 58.02% 0.19% { 33, JdJh, JdJs, JdJc, AQs, A3s, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, KdTd, QdTd, JdTd, Td9d, 9d8d, 8d7d }
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Old 05-29-2016, 09:15 PM   #14
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Re: AK vs Flop C/R

Call.
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