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01-16-2019 , 02:41 PM

dimeetrees

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Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 626

Effective stacks about $450. UTG limps, I’m in the lojack and raise to $20 with AcKs. SB calls UTG calls. Flop A27dd. SB bets $40, UTG calls, I call. Turn is a 9s. SB bets $95, UTG calls, I call. River 4h. Pot is about 475 or so on river. Both players check. *What do you do?*

My image is tight. Been playing for about 2 hours. UTG has been calling lots of preflop raises and has been seen as mostly playing straightforward outside of one small bluff. He’s wearing a wsop jacket and is in his mid to late 40’s. SB is also loose with a wide preflop calling range. Id say a loose semi aggro player.

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01-16-2019 , 03:00 PM

CRAIerrday

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 424

I would raise a little more pre, 25-30, especially based on villain descriptions.

On the river I'm torn between making a tight check back or a small bet for value expecting SB to call and UTG to fold. I'd probably bet something small like 95.

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01-16-2019 , 03:38 PM

donkatruck

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,911

There's three possibilities, we are behind 2-pair or stronger and value own ourselves with a bet, we are ahead of whiffed draws and a bet gains us nothing, or one of them (most likely SB) has a weaker A.

I'm not sure it's the last one enough times to warrant a river bet. I'd probably check it back. I'm sure others would advocate betting, but given pot size, I don't think there's a b/f amount that makes any sense. If we bet $95 as previous poster suggested, it would be calling $200 more in a $1.1K pot with a hand with good SDV.

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01-16-2019 , 03:49 PM

CRAIerrday

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Yeah it's definitely close between checking or betting, I'd feel way better about making a decision either way if we played more with both opponents. That said if we did bet 95 on the river, I would fold to a check raise from SB and call a checkraise from UTG.

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01-16-2019 , 03:51 PM

Amanaplan

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AP Check is a nice option. Might have raised turn.

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01-16-2019 , 03:54 PM

twitcherroo

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I think i’m Firing the river, expecting to be ahead. But when I value own myself
Against A2 I wonder why I bet. But there are weaker hands that can call so I think I give them that opportunity.

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01-16-2019 , 04:04 PM

monikrazy

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 28,046

Check. Betting would be turning our hand into a bluff, but we cant even really rep 2p+ credibly after not raising flop or turn. For that reason, villains should not fold better.

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01-16-2019 , 04:22 PM

Amanaplan

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

Check. Betting would be turning our hand into a bluff, but we cant even really rep 2p+ credibly after not raising flop or turn. For that reason, villains should not fold better.

Ace wasn’t a diamond. There are a reasonable number of worse calls and it’s also an awfully clean runout for any flopped 2p, enough so I’d expect most players to fire a third value bullet>check.

Now leaning shove.

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01-16-2019 , 04:25 PM

shorn7

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,495

This is a bet to me. Might be thin but I think we get called by AJ/AT/Adxd enough to make it worth it. I think I go $130 and obviously fold if raised.

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01-16-2019 , 06:17 PM

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donkatruck

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Originally Posted by shorn7

This is a bet to me. Might be thin but I think we get called by AJ/AT/Adxd enough to make it worth it. I think I go $130 and obviously fold if raised.

So you'd fold for $160 more for a pot of $1,090 or so?

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01-16-2019 , 06:42 PM

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branch0095

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Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 926

I'm betting this river and am okay with the times I value slice myself. I just can't see many 2p hands checking river on this runout. Many on the side of betting river probably prefer a jam, and that's completely reasonable given stack sizes OTR. Id bet small though and target smaller Ax hands, something like $120-$130.

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01-16-2019 , 07:00 PM

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SwolyswoND

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Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 1,976

Seems like a clear bet to me. Two pair is not checking river to induce a bluff.

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01-16-2019 , 07:20 PM

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StacknLikeCordWood

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Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 120

Between check back or jam on river I think, and I base it on how much history I have with/read on SB. If he's the type of player to get into this spot and then check/call river with AQ/AJ/AT (reading us as jamming a missed draw) then I jam. If I don't have enough history or read, I check back.

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01-16-2019 , 08:09 PM

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megamen70

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Snap ship we have the best pair of aces and I can see lots of weak ace-x in sb range. I think he very often fires third barrel with two pair. If we value own ourselves take notes and so be it

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01-16-2019 , 08:29 PM

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persianpunisher

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What do we think of raising flop? We charge/deny draws, we get value from weaker Aces, we control turn action, and I really doubt we have the worst hand with the preflop and flop action.

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01-16-2019 , 09:32 PM

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TheSamasaurus

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 603

i like bigger sizing pre at least 25
bet on river, villians just don't check raise a set on the river like this nor should they

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01-16-2019 , 09:49 PM

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johnnyBuz

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Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 7,563

Raise flop. Raise turn. As played shove river.

If you x back AK here with less than a 2/3 PSB behind then quit poker.

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01-16-2019 , 11:16 PM

#18

Minatorr

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shove river, flop/turn are fine

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01-17-2019 , 02:04 AM

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Havick

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Agree with shipping of. Looks a lot like one villain on a FD and the other with a weak A maybe even worse.

I don't like flatting flop and turn though, probably like to see a raise there.

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01-17-2019 , 02:12 AM

#20

wait

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Raising flop or turn seems so bad to me

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01-17-2019 , 02:54 AM

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PFunkaliscious

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they both have diamonds. bet 65 for fat value and collect your money

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01-17-2019 , 03:06 AM

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krilleater

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Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 666

I go large, for value. With a runout this clean, I doubt 2-pair is slowing down.

SB probably has a mediocre ace they decided to x/c after the flush bricked. You can bet a pretty solid sizing and get calls from worse.

Checking back here is insanely nitty and leaving tons of EV on the table.

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01-17-2019 , 03:15 AM

#23

wait

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I'd bet 100

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01-17-2019 , 07:04 AM

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KID777777

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I prolly ship vs 2 villains who are loose and straightforward

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01-18-2019 , 12:22 AM

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dimeetrees

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Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 626

I ended up jamming river and UTG called me with 92 for 2 pair, don't even care to remember if his was suited or not. I fumbled with my chips before I put them in too so it def. didn't look strong.

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