V- LAG who has a wider range no matter what is table position is. Anytime he enters the pot he is raising. After 7 hours he is running probably 25/20 22/18. He is a competent player but I have seen him make some -EV plays. I'm not sure if he is aware of his table image. $1200 Effective Stack

Hero- Probably viewed as TAG. I have 3 total LAG's to my right so I have a couple +EV spots where I squeezed or got called and took it down thanks to great position. I haven't shown any bluffs. I have 3 bet villain 3-4 times this session all in squeeze spots since the table over all is very passive. $800.00 Effective Stack

OTH

V- UTG opens $12.00

V2- MP calls $12.00 LAG

folds around to hero in BB

Hero- BB AK 3 bets to $42.00

V- 4 bets to 106.00

V2- folds

Hero- This was V's first 4 bet. I wasn't sure if he was possibly making a move light or not. The problem is this sizing is just giving us good odds. We are getting roughly 3-1. We have blockers to AA/KK and I still felt like V could do this with QQ since I had been squeezing in earlier hands. We are very deep. V- $1200 Hero-$800 1/2 game.

Hero- calls $106.00 THOUGHTS??

POT= $225.00

FLOP- KK5

Hero-checks

V-checks back

At this point I know villain is capped at AA/QQ. If he had 4 bet me light I am pretty sure he is stabbing this flop with air. I was confident he is checking back for pot control and showdown value. This is where you guys come in. I know villain isn't stacking off with AA here so it comes down to sizing and not being greedy. Knowing my game I can never be bluffing here

TURN- 8

Hero- bets $50.00 THOUGHTS? MY PLAN WAS JUST TO MILK HIM AND HAVE HIM CRY CALL. I THINK WE COULD HAVE GONE A LITTLE BIGGER.

V- calls $50.00

POT= $325.00

RIVER-3

Hero- ??????

$375/call

As played if he bets thinnish at all then checking could be good

Either that or bomb/call

Flop sizing is bad. Rather play for all the cheddar than small cup of MILK.

This whole forum. Preaches a tight value style. Make hands get paid. Yet, Here is another case of. I play too tight, I don't bluff enough. My image is to good to get value.

Why are we calling flop? If we have almost no chance to get value postflop?

As to your question. Bet $250 and get paid. Checking seems ludicrous. As given, this guy's stats (which are a crushing 25/20) is checking back alot.

Also would definitely consider 4 betting to $250ish pretty with nitty image.

On turn. Betting $100-150 or checking. Probably leaning towards the $150. So I can make larger river sizing.



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lol you guys need to re read the hand

Given the fact that you’ve been 3betting him and he could start 4betting a little light, I think you should be 5betting with all of KK/AA/AKs.
Turn bet bigger. Maybe 1/2 pot or a little under 1/2 pot. If his range really is capped to QQ/AA, then i’d bet bigger 2/3-3/4 pot or so and try to make it look like I’m attacking weakness.

problem is he's not very sticky and when we bet "bigger" here what are our value hands vs our bluffs

like what do I call a 4 bet here with and start leading on the turn

on the river my range is capped when I bet its either a K or bluff and like I said its really really hard for me to be bluffing in this situation.

my 3 bet range is somewhat tighter preflop and to call a 4 bet being OOP my range is getting polarized

When I call the 4 bet I am at 1010-AA and AK AKsuited

AQ AQ suited I am 5 betting being OOP

If he’s just folding 100% of the time to a turn bet, then we bet 100% of our range on the turn IMO. But I think you’re most likely underestimating his ability to call without a K here.

no I know hes calling the turn for the right price my plan was to milk the turn and up it on the river

I just didn't think I big turn and river bet would get me paid off

not against this villain

most 1-2 villains absolutely because they cant fold

like for us to bet bigger and get paid off we need to have some bluffs in our range here vs this villain and we have none lol

Then have some bluffs (maybe TT-JJ, AQs). You’re making this too complicated... First start off with the premise that you bet all your value. If you find some spots where you’re not being called enough, then add bluffs to your range, don’t remove value.

fair enough believe me I see your point

I just feel like turning JJ 1010 into a bluff OOP here is a little optimistic especially in a 4 bet pot

if we have JJ1010 then he has more combos of AK then AA or KK

Lol, you just said he’s capped at one pair hands, and isn’t sticky. Which is it? Does he call off with AA and QQ here too much or not enough? If he calls too much, then don’t bluff. If he folds too much, then do bluff. Either way, AK is an obvious value hand, so bet it after he checks back flop.

yea I did bet lol I know its a value hand

I don't think I'm behind I know I'm way ahead

my issue is sizing to get paid off by AA and QQ because he will fold

Well, first of all stop telling yourself he’s folding AA always. Now consider that this is a 4bet pot, and stacks can be bet by river. What sizing should you make to maximize the chance of this happening? $50 ain’t the answer.

This.

I'm definitely into bet more on the turn camp. 100 sounds right, and bomb river. I'd be hard pressed to see him not call a 100 bet when he called 50. What do you think he is putting you on, by calling the turn? Just Kx and bluffs?

Missing value here is criminal, imo.

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ok you're right he isn't always folding AA

I know 50 is small but I wanted to go smaller on the turn and go bigger on the river

Like I said earlier, if his range is capped then we should bet bigger... I.e., if he always bets a K on this flop, and if he perceives that we know this, then we should be attacking his flop check back by making a meaty bet on the turn. I’d go for like $160-170 maybe. This leaves about a PSB to shove on river...

However, if he sometimes traps and checks back a K on the flop, it’s much more difficult to bluff, so we need to size down. Then I might bet like $90-110. Then I might overbet/shove river after he calls. Or I might go for like $280 otr; occasionally I’d bet smallish again on river to make it look like I’m blocking (maybe $135-145 or something - it will be pretty hard for him to fold AA with all the money in the pot).

IMO, betting slightly under half pot is ok/not horrible on turn, but anything smaller starts to get really bad.

Does everyone agree preflop was played properly? I feel as if (as crazy as this sounds) we need to have a 5 bet range. If we are going to 3 bet squeeze villains.....we have to assume V's are going to eventually play back at us and often will be light. It makes more sense for V to call our 3! with a premium and play his whole range perfectly in position.

Pre 5! $245/fold.


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If anything, this has to be the other way around! If you're sure he has AA/QQ/JJ when he checks the flop behind (I actually don't agree with that range assessment, but let's just assume that is indeed his range), you bomb the turn and go smaller on the river. Bet 180-200 and he will not fold the turn with AA/QQ, of course he won't. Then on the river you go for the annoying "same bet" principle if you know he's not gonna stack off without a K. For a 1\3 pot bet he will mostly convince himself to call, thinking you'd go much bigger with a K and he basically crushes everything else.

Also, squeezing to 42 is much too small here imo, OOP and with these stacksizes. I'd go ~70.

just curious
you state you put him at AA KK or QQ
and this was his 1st 4 bet
what were you going to do if the flop was K 6 3 rainbow?
looks like you were making money and had a good feel for the game
why call pre here, fold and continue to run up your stack as stated .
so you call the $106 and flop is K63 and you check, he bets $150 then what are you stacking off here?

Grunch.

Competent player & not aware of his table image = {} (empty set).

I'd 3b to 60 here. OOP, I'm less interested in starting the chain of callers and IO aren't as high as they'd be if we were IP.

If we make it 42 and get a caller, SPR is going to be around 9 when we're OOP against an aggressive opponent. Blecch.

When V 4b (what is with the dollar amounts?! I think once we get past 100, perhaps 105 isn't so horribly different from 106?), we have a decision to make.

If we think he's doing this wider than KK+ because we've been squeezing him, it's time to stick it in IMO. Playing SPR 4 pots OOP with AKs isn't my favorite activity in the world. Any raise is committing, so we're getting it all in bad when we're behind. Let's get it all in when we're flipping and he can make bad folds.

Don't get too wrapped up in the small 4bet size. 4b from competent V's will often be small. If they 4b larger, they're committed to calling a jam, so they might as well jam themselves. That suggests a smaller 4b size with premiums, which suggests a smaller size with bluffs as well -- if opponents (you, in this case) are capable of noticing sizing tells.

What was your plan for the hand when you called? Bink? Bluff? x-f? If you had one, great -- let us in on it. If you didn't, you misplayed the hand.

OTF, V is not capped at AA, QQ. You're making the mistake of assuming that 3 and 0 are the same number. True story: they're not, even really small values of 3 are greater than 0. V can have a K here. You're right that he's more likely to have QQ or AA (12 combos vs, 3), but 20% ain't 0.

OTF, read your own hand. What does LAG V think you 3b/called with? Does he think you'll call with AK, KK? As weak as KQs?

Let's say he thinks you have either AK or QQ-.

If he has AK, it's all going in and your play doesn't matter.

If he has AA and you lead out, he's going to put you on 4 combos of AK and 6+ combos of QQ-. Do you think he's more likely to stack off against someone ramming and jamming or against someone dimping around for small bets on three streets? What do you think he'll think you have if you bet big? If you bet small?

I think trying to milk him over three streets is the nutworst line. Bet big! Make him wonder why you're so obviously trying to move him off his hand if you have a monster. 200 OTF. Jam the turn.

I'm not stacking off on a K or even A high flop

we cant fold AK suited here with the possibility that villain is doing it light

once he checks flop

I knew he had showdown value and was trying to pot control

his 4 bet range hands that were bluffs would be AQ A10 Ax suited range

he would have c bet air most likely