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AK stackoff? AK stackoff?

06-25-2017 , 07:13 AM
Is this ever okay?

1/3 game. Brand new table first orbit 3 limpers to me in the cutoff and I raise to 18 with Ad Kh SB calls BB calls and ONE limper calls. I only have 210 (70bb) to start the hand and everyone has me covered.

Flop: A Q 2 two clubs. SB checks, BB checks. Limper bets 75?

What should hero do here?

This player seems very tight but idk no real reads since I just got here is it normal just to stack off here with top top?

Could have a lot of flush draws in his range, could have flopped a set of 3s, but way more combos of flush draws. I think I'm obviously ahead here more than 50% of the time.
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06-25-2017 , 07:18 AM
No just call with two players behind. Btw I would call HU IP too.
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06-25-2017 , 11:25 AM
You would call and have 135 left in a pot of like 230... I don't like that outcome.

Best to maximize your fold equity ahead of the flush draws. The two hands you are scared to death of are AQ and 22. AA/QQ are not here because they 4!...

If you call and say a brick 6d comes on the turn, you are shoving anyway and villain is getting odds to call with his flush draws at that point.

So that's the aggressive line... The other line is to just fold here and honestly it's not a bad fold at all. If you said what exact cards the two clubs were it would be helpful, but its probably best given the stack sizes and size of that bet to just fold here. Against an Ace high flush draw... say Ac8c villain has all clubs and 8's to make a better hand.

Also possible that villain has AcKc and flopped the world of draws. But again it depends on the suits of the board. I think you can fold and be happy that you are either marginally ahead here or CRUSHED 100% of the time.

Use the raise play only against an opponent with history. A new table, with an open limper who pots the flop.... Probably just walk away here.
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06-25-2017 , 01:37 PM
i'd probably go like 22-25 pre, but thats how my room plays. YMMV, if 18 over 3 limpers is normal, so be it.

flop, pot is 78 less rake, call it 72. our stack is 192. we have an SPR of ~2.5, we flopped TPTK, so we should be willing to get all of our money in fairly often before we consider the flop action

once V bets pot, we don't even have a pot sized raise (which is ~300), so IMO it's a shove unless you have a read that makes it a fold.
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06-26-2017 , 12:05 PM
I would raise just slightly more preflop to setup just that much more of a trivial stack off postflop with TP / offer slightly worse IO. Also, my table plays fairly loose and after 3 limps I typically have to raise it $20+ if I'm going to narrow the field. If the worst thing a bigger raise does is take down 4.5bbs uncontested, then I would still consider that a win as well.

Flop really comes down to opponent. Most opponents don't donk a PSB with a flush draw; if they are donking a flush draw, they typically donk a lot less to give themselves better odds / make it cheap plus with their little bit of FE, but even in general most draws just check/call. So in general I wouldn't think this is a flush draw (unless perhaps a flush draw + gutshot, but still). I would mostly think this is a made hand protecting against the draw and is afraid this might check thru ("pot is big enough"). So the question is whether AJ thinks his hand is big enough to play it like this. Against some opponents, I snap shove at this SPR. Against some others, I snap fold.

Preflop result setup a big of a difficult spot in that we really probably shouldn't be folding with this SPR, but at the same time we offered 3 opponents 15+ implied odds to stack us.

Gtoughspot,imoG
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