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08-09-2015 , 01:26 PM
1/2 Live
Hero (850): I imagine I have a tight image, my table broke an hour before this hand so I'm still working on good reads, as others must be with me. Today was the first time I increased my pre-flop raise considerably from 4x+limps to consistantly 20+. Only hand players have seen so far from me has been a QQ heads up when opponent slow played a turned flush, and I hit a boat on the river to take his stack.

Villain (400): Loose asian guy who just called an all in with a gut shot, and hit on the river to steal the stack. Pot was 75, all in from opponent was 150 more.
Pays to see flops, and chases.

OTTH

Hero (UTG): AK
Villain (UTG+1)

Hero raises to 20, villain calls, rest fold.

($43): Flop K 8 6 (rainbow)

My plan with guys like this when I'm OOP and theres a super dry board is to let them put money in the pot.

Hero Checks, villain bets 20, Hero calls

($83): Turn K 8 6 9

Hero Checks, villain bets 50, hero calls

($183): River K 8 6 9 4 (Sorry I don't remember suits, but no flush on board)

Hero checks, Villain bets 100, hero snap calls.

Obviously since I'm posting this, you will assume I didn't get the result I wanted, but I'm more interested in whether or not my play on this was good, or if it was fishy. I thought I was good the whole time. By checking three streets I figure his entire range stays in the hand, I show weakness so his perceived strength increases, and even allow him to attempt a bluff on the river if he misses the limited draws available.
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08-09-2015 , 01:32 PM
Has this V shown you that he will attack weakness when checked to? In your V description it says he CALLED an over bet all in with a gutter but that is very different than a maniac who always fires when you check to him.

If he is truly a maniac I don't mind your line but otherwise I think this is just a good spot to bet/fold 3 streets (on this and some other boards)
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08-09-2015 , 03:53 PM
You underrepped your hand so had no info. That's the risk you took. You have no idea what he has. Look at the entire board - is one pair of kings any good very often? He has tons of two pairs and straights in his range. Unless he's a triple barrell bluffer, you're usually beat. Depends on read
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08-09-2015 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by esspoker
You underrepped your hand so had no info. That's the risk you took. You have no idea what he has. Look at the entire board - is one pair of kings any good very often? He has tons of two pairs and straights in his range. Unless he's a triple barrell bluffer, you're usually beat. Depends on read
Do you assume pre flop call ranges to often include suited one gappers?
I never play those cards, so I really don't consider them, but that may be a much needed update for me.
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08-09-2015 , 04:11 PM
This is a reasonable way to play against a loose aggressive player. This is a bad way to play against a loose passive calling station.
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08-09-2015 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DrunkTilt
Has this V shown you that he will attack weakness when checked to? In your V description it says he CALLED an over bet all in with a gutter but that is very different than a maniac who always fires when you check to him.

If he is truly a maniac I don't mind your line but otherwise I think this is just a good spot to bet/fold 3 streets (on this and some other boards)
Just to clarify... bet/fold means to fold to a raise?
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08-09-2015 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dopedupwalrus
Just to clarify... bet/fold means to fold to a raise?
Right. Vast majority of opponents that raise on this board are going to have TPTK beat.
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08-09-2015 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dopedupwalrus
Just to clarify... bet/fold means to fold to a raise?
Yes.

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08-10-2015 , 07:01 AM
most 1-2 players play suited one gappers so yes they are in his range
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08-12-2015 , 11:59 PM
I really like this line against the right guy. Against guys who have "tunnel vision," when they have the lead they make their biggest mistakes because they think better will always raise at some point. And the board is such that there are very few runouts that will be scary, an over to the flop doesn't hurt you. It's different with AJ on a J-high.

How is this V loose? Passive and loose isn't really great to call down, aggro and lose is, what AsianNit was asking.
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08-13-2015 , 03:59 AM
1. seat change asap

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as played:
well played

but:
I think after checking OTF we have to c/r vs described villain (65-75$)
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08-13-2015 , 04:01 AM
Nice Hand.
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08-13-2015 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by AsianNit
This is a reasonable way to play against a loose aggressive player. This is a bad way to play against a loose passive calling station.

This... From read in op I took villain to be the latter.
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08-15-2015 , 06:15 AM
Raise less pre!
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08-15-2015 , 10:11 PM
I'd just come out betting because villain has shown that he will make terrible postflop calls and there is nothing in the read about him being aggressive (unless you want to count the Asian part). Villains are more likely to be passive than aggressive.

The read doesn't tell us if villain is aggressive or passive. I'm assuming passive (especially if it's an older player). Also, if villain was aggressive then wouldn't the OP have mentioned something about it?
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