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08-09-2014 , 09:31 PM
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Was at my regular neighborhood game. $1/$1 10 handed, action is really loose and players tends to raise preflop like $11 onwards and gets many callers.

Preflop with AsKc
Hero utg Raised to $11 and gets 4 callers.

Flop($46). K52 all spades
Hero cbets $31, Villain who has the same stack as me and is solid and aggressive raised $50 more. I tanked and shove him $80 more on top of his raise putting him all in.

Is this correct move?
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08-09-2014 , 09:37 PM
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Looks good.
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08-09-2014 , 09:46 PM
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Well you have the relative nuts...
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08-09-2014 , 10:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFairyTale
Was at my regular neighborhood game. $1/$1 10 handed, action is really loose and players tends to raise preflop like $11 onwards and gets many callers.

Preflop with AsKc
Hero utg Raised to $11 and gets 4 callers.

Flop($46). K52 all spades
Hero cbets $31, Villain who has the same stack as me and is solid and aggressive raised $50 more. I tanked and shove him $80 more on top of his raise putting him all in.

Is this correct move?

you already know the answer... sorry he had the flush/set... you still had outs
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08-09-2014 , 10:11 PM
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Yes, I'm sure you got it right. You got TPTK with redraw to the nuts.
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08-09-2014 , 10:16 PM
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Grunch.

Nice hand. Sorry you lost.
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08-10-2014 , 12:35 AM
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raise more pre
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08-10-2014 , 01:20 AM
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I'm a math donk but using a fold equity calculator it looks looks like the shove is -EV if his range looks something like this:

55,22,K5s,QsJs,QsTs,JsTs,Qs9s,Js9s,Ts9s,Qs8s,Js8s, Ts8s,9s8s,Qs7s,Js7s,Ts7s,9s7s,8s7s,9s6s,8s6s,7s6s
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08-10-2014 , 01:27 AM
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Preflop raise could have been bigger. I agree with the shove.
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08-10-2014 , 01:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by haha_TP
I'm a math donk but using a fold equity calculator it looks looks like the shove is -EV if his range looks something like this:

55,22,K5s,QsJs,QsTs,JsTs,Qs9s,Js9s,Ts9s,Qs8s,Js8s, Ts8s,9s8s,Qs7s,Js7s,Ts7s,9s7s,8s7s,9s6s,8s6s,7s6s
Why are you only counting hands that beat us?
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08-10-2014 , 01:58 AM
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Because it's a good place to start. Can we be sure that he'll raise w/ something like KxJs, KxQs, or just a naked K, and if so, does he does it every time?
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08-10-2014 , 10:59 AM
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what are effective stacks? 120bbs or something? v tough to fold TPTK with so many clear outs to the nuts and an SPR of under 3

are we first to act between the 5 seeing a flop? i see nothing wrong with b/3b shove, think x/rai is too FPS, x/c too passive with this hand and initiative and x/f out of the question. so b/3b probably best
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08-10-2014 , 11:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFairyTale
Was at my regular neighborhood game. $1/$1 10 handed, action is really loose and players tends to raise preflop like $11 onwards and gets many callers.

Preflop with AsKc
Hero utg Raised to $11 and gets 4 callers.

Flop($46). K52 all spades
Hero cbets $31, Villain who has the same stack as me and is solid and aggressive raised $50 more. I tanked and shove him $80 more on top of his raise putting him all in.

Is this correct move?




If I were to guess about your avg. villains in a game such as this, the V has either a set or a flush. Now it is sheer math from his 50 raise on to figure if there is already enuff dead money to race. Thats a good math problem for you to solve. Figure what you are risking to win the 46+31+50 and compare to the equity you have vs flushes and sets here.
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