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Old 08-22-2017, 04:02 PM   #1
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AK from the sb

1/2,

Villain is pretty limpy pre. Prob a small winner. Slow plays hands post flop but no read that he does this pre. I once 3 bet him pre with Q9, then min raised his donk bet on a 227 flop and he folded QQ face up, so obv I had to show. Since then he seems to want to play a lot of pots with me lol. Prob thinks I am very bluffy. Villain is not much of a bluffer but he does semi bluff every so often.

Utg straddles to 6
Villain limps ($400)
2 more calls
Hero raises to $36 in sb with AK(covers)
Only villain calls

Flop $86
442

Hero?

I see my options as either checking, or else double barreling fairly large on the turn. Given reads, which line is better?
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Old 08-22-2017, 04:14 PM   #2
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Re: AK from the sb

I would check with given reads.
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Old 08-22-2017, 04:18 PM   #3
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Re: AK from the sb

How long ago was the other hand? (Why did you have to show?)

I can go either way on flop. If I check, though, I'm definitely calling a bet. Don't think check/raise is a good idea unless you are willing to gii (not terrible, actually). If I bet, I don't think it has to be too big. Maybe $50 or $60.

I lean toward a check/call, but honestly have no problem with either. If he will raise you light on the flop (doesn't sound as if he will), check is best.
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Old 08-22-2017, 04:23 PM   #4
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Re: AK from the sb

One and done , how many AKo post are there.. Jesus Christ , oh wait , I have one too lol...

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Old 08-22-2017, 04:42 PM   #5
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Re: AK from the sb

I doubt V is a small winner if he is 'pretty limpy' and slow plays hands post flop.

Please don't show when you run a bluff.

I like a cbet around $30 here on the flop and usually checking down turn and river if V calls the flop bet. Given Vs description you should triple barrel this hand if you hadn't show the Q9 bluff earlier.

Again, a like a smallest cbet here and trying to get to showdown if V calls.
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Old 08-22-2017, 05:12 PM   #6
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Re: AK from the sb

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1/2,
Utg straddles to 6
Villain limps ($400)
2 more calls
Hero raises to $36 in sb with AK(covers)
Only villain calls

Flop $86
442

Hero?
You got to take away this pot from villain. At the flop, you bet into the paired board because with only one opponent against you there's ONLY 8% probability for each villain to have one card of that pair and since he called you preflop raise, he's got no 4 for sure. Make sure leave enough stacks behind to use the leverage effect OTT. If he calls the flop bet, you do a check/raise OTT. If the stacks are deep he will understand that you want to build up the pot. What you’re doing here, you actually with absolutely nothing, basically, you just setting-up the c/r bluff by using the flop bet into the paired board to establish the fact that you’ll able to bluff on the next round.

Are you still with me, ...mam? .., It doesn’t matter what two cards you’ve got. This goes back to playing people instead your cards. This guy just can’t help to think that you've got an A4s, 22 or a big overpair.

Of course it depends who the villain is as a "player" or a donkey? - I don't know until I see him. If he's a donkey this line may not work because he's got to understand what's gonna happen with his stack on the river.

Anyway, the flop bet should freeze your opponent and put him in a passive mode on the turn, where you are likely to get a check. This is the window to make a strong bet and take down the pot. He just can't call or make a playback, even with QQ, when somebody runs this line on him.

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Old 08-22-2017, 05:38 PM   #7
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Re: AK from the sb

Under normal circumstances I'd cbet this nearly every time. It's entirely believable that we have a big PP. I'd make it $45. Half the pot should strike a good balance between risking as little as possible while still looking strong enough to get some folds.

If V calls, I'm putting him pretty squarely on a PP below his raising range; let's say 99 or lower (and a few fours and pocket deuces).

Again, normally, I'm looking to fire again on the turn. The higher the card (up to Q) the more I like it. I might check an A or K in order to maybe get some value on the river.

[Against a stronger opponent I might check the flop, since I'd give a stronger opponent credit for realizing that I'd probably check a premium pair here. Checking against a good V doesn't limit my ability to bluff all that much. But this guy ain't that guy and he's too likely to decide that a turn check means weakness.]

But with the shown bluff, all of that gets less profitable. He might well choose to get very sticky with his PP.

We should probably still fire the flop, just to make him surrender the equity he has with any two live cards. We're not getting value from them later unless we hit and he hits, so let's not give him free chances to outdraw us.

So I think I'd fire the flop for $45 and then double barrel only on a good card (T - Q). Still checking K or A and leading the river small.

Any sign that V likes his hand enough to raise or put in a big bet and I'm long gone and hard to find.
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Old 08-22-2017, 06:17 PM   #8
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AK from the sb

Bet flop for sure, checking looks too weak. If called, check/give up turn because of previous show.
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Old 08-22-2017, 06:29 PM   #9
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Re: AK from the sb

you're correct about it being at least a double barrel. His limp/call pre is indicative of a pocket pair and he's likely calling a cbet but we should cbet 40 then plan on betting the turn.

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Anyway, the flop bet should freeze your opponent and put him in a passive mode on the turn, where you are likely to get a check. This is the window to make a strong bet and take down the pot. He just can't call or make a playback, even with QQ, when somebody runs this line on him.
Hero is first to act on the turn. He can't bet after his opponent checks
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Old 08-22-2017, 07:41 PM   #10
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you're correct about it being at least a double barrel. His limp/call pre is indicative of a pocket pair and he's likely calling a cbet but we should cbet 40 then plan on betting the turn.



Originally Posted by outdonked
Anyway, the flop bet should freeze your opponent and put him in a passive mode on the turn, where you are likely to get a check. This is the window to make a strong bet and take down the pot. He just can't call or make a playback, even with QQ, when somebody runs this line on him.

Hero is first to act on the turn. He can't bet after his opponent checks
OK, I got it.
Sorry about the confusion. It's my bad. I was on fire in the middle of the battle thinking how I would do it at his table with his AK. ..., haha ..Sorry
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Old 08-23-2017, 01:42 AM   #11
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Re: AK from the sb

$30 otf
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