$2/$3 NLHE - full table

V1 Angry white man, he is on mega tilting rage and has been playing like a maniac for the last hour. ($150)

V2 Young kid, been at the table 1 round, has not opened a pot yet. (Covers V1 and hero)

Hero: Has been pretty quiet due to being card dead and has not really played any big pots. Probably perceived as tight/weak thus far. ($240)


EP limps
Hero in MP with AK raises to $21.
V1 in CO calls. V2 on button calls, EP limper calls.

Flop($84, 4 players) J64
EP checks, hero checks, V1 bets $40, V2 calls, EP folds, hero calls.

I knew V1 would bet here with ATC so I checked with the intention of shoving on him. When V2 called as well, I decided to flat and re-evaluate the turn.

Turn($209, 3 players) K

Now I have TPTK and a redraw to the nuts. V1 has $90 behind, Hero $180, V2 covers.

Hero?????????

If they shove call. Otherwise move in.

CRAI. Tilty will bet while Tighty may just call. GII before another club (river) prevents the last $90 from hitting the middle.

Raise flop. As played, shove turn. Easy shove IMO

I like a raise on the flop. Shove turn when v1 bets into you. V2 raises v1 to isolate with anything other than the the king high flush, might even raise with that to protect his equity. Pretty comfortable getting it in here.

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check calling the flop is playing too passive imo. Need to c/r or even cbet unless you were sure he's gona bet but mono flops tend to slow people down.

as played - turn pots 209 we have 180 w/ TPTK & NFD. jam city

I like the biggish open, especially considering that if any of the smaller stacks call and we get this HU then we have an easy SPR to stack off to with TP. Unlucky that we ended up 4way (a sucky result, imo), but sometimes god hates us.

My plan would be to check/shove this flop, especially considering pot is quite big compared to stacks (i.e. it's worth winning). Being 4way, a cbet is less likely to take this down (although I guess on a monotone board where no one has the nut flush draw it isn't inconceivable). If someone bets that puts a lot of dead money in the pot, and with our overs + nut flush draw we should have massive combined hand equity + FE. And it ain't exactly the end of the world if the flop checks thru because we don't have anything now and we're afraid of no draw. So, as played, I fistpump jam my stack in after the bet and call and feel pretty awesome about it.

As played, on the turn we have TPTK with the nut flush draw with less than a PSB left. We're committed, imo. I would probably just shove for value.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I can go for a c/shove Flop or flat, either way. I might tend to put V1 all-in to isolate but I understand your concern about V2 flating. Not quite sure why you didn't c-bet here to thin the herd a bit or take it down, especially holding the nut flush card, but cant say Ive never played it this way myself.

Since you been passive here I would c/c Turn and hope to get paid on River by either V. You are calling a V1 shove but maybe not a V2 shove IMO. I do like the K on Turn as either may have Kc in hand which is to your advantage if they dont already have a flush or KJ.

I dont like being first to act on River but I think I lead out either with or without the flush. You are good here a lot. GL

Should've stuck with the plan and raised flop. As played, c/jam turn.

FWIW, a check/raise on the flop has to be a shove since pot will already be $164 and we only have $219 left against V2 and a mere $89 against V1.

GjusttobeclearG

Ok, so it seems that most think I should have stuck to the original plan and c/r the flop. FWIW, I didn't cbet the flop because I was 100% certain that V1 would bet. The centerpiece of his maniacal play was betting scary boards hard and I knew he couldn't resist the monotone flop.

So let me pose this question. As played, On the turn, if I am 95% sure that V1 donks the rest of his $90 into the pot if I check, should I do that and waste all my FE vs. V2? Or should I straight shove to employ whatever FE I have and potentially lose the additional value I could get from V1?

Some of you above said jam and others said c/jam the turn. Would like to get more insights on either. Thanks.

I ask you this good sir. What do you expect him to fold that beats your hand?

I dont think you have any FE here. There is no hand villains going to fold that beats you, so you should be shoving for value, not as a bluff. By check raising, you allow V2 to make a mistake.