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03-31-2015 , 04:39 AM
Hi. I have a question about the river in this hand
The game is 1/1 GBP

I have sat down fairly recently. Not sure they are paying muchattention to my image, but I am playing TAG UTG. UTG+1 (V1) is something like 50/15 preflop, but haven't seen him do anyhting totally insane post-flop. He calls a bit too much with draws.

Only notable hand I was involved in so far, I called down a super loose passive guy on a dry board (almost certainly very poor play by me) and lost. Don't know if villains noticed this. I didn't show my hand so maybe can't read anything into it.

Other LP villain (V2) is similarly loose-passive. One hand I saw a bit earlier: V1 raised pre and V2 + another called. Flop Q82 . Went V1 bet, call call. Turn Q, went V1 bet, V2 call. River Ace. V1 thought, then checked. V2 considered betting, then didnt, and showed Q2. Said he didnt bet because he thought V1 had AQ.

OTTH.

I make it 5 with AKo UTG (stack=140). V1 calls (covers), as does V2 (covers).

Flop: KQ4r. Pot = 17
I bet 10, call, call

Turn: KQ4, Q (r). Pot = 47
I bet 30, V1 calls

River: KQ4Q, J
I check. V1 immediately says: "Raise". Then thinks for a while. He asks me what I am playing. I show him 95. He thinks for a bit longer then bets 58.

What should I do here?
He could be betting for value with the same hand or better.
He could be "trying to get me off the chop" with Kx
He could be turning JT (or similar) into a bluff

Thanks
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03-31-2015 , 05:27 AM
I'd fold. The guy was so mubsy that he didn't bet a full house because he was a afraid of a higher boat. Now, that guy is firing out here? He's not doing it with a hand worse than AK.
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03-31-2015 , 05:29 AM
Hi

wrong villain. V2 was mubsy and he ahs folded on the turn.
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04-01-2015 , 06:34 PM
Hi

Does anyone have some thoughts on this hand? Would be interested to hear opinions
Thanks

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04-01-2015 , 07:08 PM
Bet a bit more on the flop. If you were going to check, check turn. As played, I probably call against this guy.
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04-01-2015 , 07:52 PM
I would have said, "You can't raise because I didn't bet."
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04-01-2015 , 08:03 PM
When on the river after playing a hand passively, a V that asks you how much you're playing, in my experience, has the nuts or close to it. For sure, he's beating TP.
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04-01-2015 , 10:54 PM
Flop - would have bet closer to pot than 1/2 pot.

Turn - Q is a terrible card because it puts you in a situation where you may now be way behind. Two calls on a KQx flop are not likely air or floats. hands like 87s and 99 and other wiffs are folding this flop.

Check puts you in the position that you might get bet at and then be put in the spot as to whether you are going to fold TPTK, but i think thats better than making a big bet and finding yourself pot committed.

The flop calls signify that at least one, if not both of your Vs caught a piece of the flop. If you bet, the pot bloats up, and your hand still is way behind or facing draws with reasonable equity. I like a pot control or check/eval line here, even though it doesn't help you define your hand, and lets your Vs decide on the pot size. Call vs fold to a turn bet is really V dependent.

River - KQ4QJ

AA-JJ, AQ, AT, KQ, Qx, T9, 44 beat you
(TT), AJ, JT lose
AK chops

I think all the other trash would have folded out on the turn unless V is into calling with air on two streets and then bluffing the river (unlikely). This is a particularly terrible board for any non-maniac to try that after you raised UTG and then fired the flop and turn.

I'd probably fold.

And... whenever someone asks for a stack count at 1/2 they have a lock hand ime.

Last edited by MirrorMirror; 04-01-2015 at 11:06 PM.
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04-01-2015 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Below Zero
When on the river after playing a hand passively, a V that asks you how much you're playing, in my experience, has the nuts or close to it. For sure, he's beating TP.
This +1
we see Qx here a ton
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04-02-2015 , 11:22 AM
Thanks for the replies.

Results: I agree with the majorit, as I folded when he bet the 58.
Then V2 (who folded turn) said he had KT. I believe him. V1 claimed he had KQ and that I made a good fold. Don't know whether to believe him or not. Suspect he was v strong or total air (JT?)
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