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10-03-2013 , 10:11 AM
V1: (~$200) Mid 30's "good fella" kind of guy. The guy at the table giving LOTS of action, playing 75% of hands, raising and calling raises alot pre. Talking up a storm.

V2: (~$240) Late 40's-50 guys been involved in a few pots, looking to get involved w/ V1 (as everyone is), limping and flatting to pre flop raises. Saw him win a good size pot w/o showdown about hour earlier.

Hero: (~$350): 40 something w/ flat brim hat and headphones. Image so far likely as a decent player. Showed down a couple of winners including set rivering quads against V1's flush earlier.

V2 in BB, Hero MP, V1 on button. Folded to Hero who makes it $13 to go w/ AKo. V1 and V2 call.

Flop K 10 3r.

V2 checks, Hero makes it $30, V1 folds, V2 makes it $90...

Hero?
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10-03-2013 , 10:29 AM
fold
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10-03-2013 , 11:01 AM
Here you must fold. You may not like it but folding is the correct play in this situation. The dude is trying to either build the pot up or taking the lead away from you. This is the signal that you must get and fold. You got a small hand for a big pot. So, there's no point to continue or trying to come over the top of him by representing some big hand or bluffing. No way!

You rarely bluff—and you do not bluff in big pots. You need to be extremely patient and disciplined as you wait for a flop that makes you a monster hand. You might not accept this approach right away because you may be used to playing a lot of pots and constantly working to outthink and outdo your opponents. However, winning a few big pots with big hands is all you need to make a lot of money. It is the basic tenet and the foundation upon which your future success in cash games will be built.

What I mean by big hands is at least top two pair (using both of your hole cards). However, a big hand isn’t only defined by what you are holding. When opponents also have hands that they like (such as top pair/top kicker or a smaller two pair), your big hands become even more valuable because your opponents will pay you off on every street even though they have few outs, if any, to beat you. These are situations that are worth waiting for. Other examples of big hands are flopping a set when an opponent has an over-pair, and turning a full house when a weak opponent turns a flush and gives you his stack despite the paired board. Another is holding the nut flush when your opponent is holding a baby flush. That’s right, even holding a small flush isn’t good enough to justify playing a big pot.


Last edited by Octavian; 10-03-2013 at 11:11 AM.
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10-03-2013 , 11:27 AM
Such a gross spot because it is against a solid player. The check raise reps 2 pair+ on that dry of a board I feel the range is very tight. This is just never going to be KQ or QJ which is all you beat. TPTK is a great hand on boards like these when your bets are being called, not when you are check raised. I'd range him something as tight as K10, 33, 1010, AK some times.

No need to get involved in a huge pot with a good player when a whale is at your table spewing off chips. Fold and wait for a better spot.
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10-03-2013 , 11:29 AM
Everybody puts everybody on AK... If he check raises here, he beats AK alot... I think he calls down with KQ

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10-03-2013 , 01:18 PM
Wow, such tight ranges every possiblity beats us? Nobody puts QJ in Villains range?

The pot approx $160 and is $60 more to call.
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10-03-2013 , 01:28 PM
Fold (for all of the above) especially octavians response. Looks like "the dude" 's got you this one.
Probably 33's?
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10-03-2013 , 01:37 PM
Wow he's got to have a tight image and never bluffing for me to just fold here.

If he is a thinking player couldn't he be c/r air or qj here knowing that our range has to be kq+ to consider calling him? We would be c betting a much wider range on this dry of a flop. Just seems highly exploitable to frequently take this line on this sexy of a flop.
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10-03-2013 , 01:41 PM
Why in the world would v2 raise on a dry board like this with trips? I would need more of a read on this villain. I don't think its as easy of fold as everyone is saying. I don't see why he would do this oop even with two pair unless he is a super nit and worried about a straight.
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10-03-2013 , 01:49 PM
I'm folding here. Wait for a better hand to come around to crush him. He might be using his image to push the others around but you can't be certain, especially since he is a solid player with showdown value. Don't fall in love with pairs..
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10-03-2013 , 01:52 PM
He is maybe doing this so you call or raise with kq+ and then he sets up a nice spr for a turn shove.
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10-03-2013 , 02:03 PM
I think everyones impression of V2 based on my description is that he has a good/tight image, but I wouldn't necessarily say that, and maybe my description is poor. He was playing more hands than he should (trying to get involved w/ V1), but wasn't playing them aggressively (limp/calling). But that may make his raise to $90 a bit more of an eye brow raiser. If he has QJ, or small pair, or was just making a play with air on the pretense Hero could be just C betting with nada, he could accomplish that with a min-raise maybe...

Another question, is this a raise or fold decision for Hero based on stack sizes? Is V2 essentially pot committed with $120 ish behind?
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10-03-2013 , 02:13 PM
I would be ott with about 200 in the middle. V's are rarelly (or rather not often enough doing this with only one draw here) and i think a worse k is just calling you down.
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10-03-2013 , 02:13 PM
Folding AK here is obv exploitable, but who cares? He's not exploiting. Unless there's some relevant history, he has to think Hero's range is mostly tpgk+, and has no reason to think Hero is likely to fold a made hand in a raised pot. If he has a monster, this is exactly how he should play it, letting Hero cbet to give the whale an easier opportunity to spew.

Is this Villain likely to take this line with QJ? Has he been floating or c/r cbets? If so, we can make a case for continuing here with a plan to gii on most turns, but imo AK/KTs/TT/33 seem much more plausible, and I probably fold here. Continuing here is high variance and if it's +EV, it's not by a whole lot.
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10-03-2013 , 07:00 PM
Fold. You are calling hoping for a chop at best. He can obviously have ak a decent amount of the time but he will show up with sets and kts or even kto too often
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10-03-2013 , 09:22 PM
I would fold here, I highly doubt villain will ever raise otf with something less than AK. Possibly KT or 33. But its a fold.
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10-03-2013 , 09:51 PM
Fold. This guy is loose passive and loose passive never raise draws. He has you beat the majority of the time. Very rarely will he turn over KQ or something. Also some chance that he also has AK.
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