$2/$5

Just a few hands ago there was a hand where there were 3 limpers and I made it $35 from the SB with KQs. BB calls and then it folded back to the cutoff who now 3 bets to $150ish. Hes an 80+ year old man. Ive played with him a lot but Ive never seen him limp / reraise from the cutoff. I put him on AK / pp below JJ and I shoved for $310. BB folded and the old man called with AK and I hit a flush. He berates me of course.

So now its 20 mins later. I open to $20 with AK in MP. The button calls and then the BB 3 bets me to $60. He has $500ish and I cover. Button has maybe $400 or so.

What do you do there with what most people probably think is a donkey image.

You 4b/f.

What's the image of bb? Is he 80+ Omc again?

4b/f min click. If flatted, pot is 260 with 380 left. It leaves awkward stack sizes only min clicking it back but it saves potential dollars if 5b.

most people might say 4bet, i would say call the 3bet and see the flop and go from there. but take what i say with a grain of salt, im still fairly new.

The KQ shove was spew. Your ranging there is optimistic to put it charitably.

I don't like 4b/f with a crazy image if you think they are adjusting as BB could easily think AQ is golden. Need reads but calling or raising to 150 both seem viable offhand.

Wait, what? Never 4 bet/folding

4 betting us has the merit of getting rid of button but if we 4 then we're getting it in

AK has 40% equity against a range of QQ+ and AK so we're committed against a shove unless we're certain that he's only doing it with AA and we can't be

I like a flat here.

With the donkey image, 4bet/fold seems like a bad option, as villain might be more likely then usual to come over the top with AQ, AK, or something like 99. So we can't assume a super narrow range for them to jam, nor do we want to call and get it in pre at this point with AK.

If we flat, we are in position vs villain on the flop (likely button will also flat). I like this spot more than a reraise pre with spewy image, hoping to get a fold from villain. Let's flat and play some poker after the flop.

Oops

Im not saying it was my greatest play, but he limped in the cutoff. I know hes 80 but the odds of him having a QQ+ is still pretty remote.

Counting my $35 and the BBs $35, there is $90 in dead money in the pot. If I shove Im risking $275 to win $400. If I add in JJ from my original range and eliminate pps below 77, which puts him at JJ-77 or AQs+, its 60/40. Marginal but certainly not horrible.

The point is that is the image I have currently. 1/2 the players are regs and know me and think whatever they think and 1/2 dont. The BB does not know me and only has this one hand to go by.

The upside to your shove was 0ish EV, and I think it was a very optimistic upside.

Anyhow, readless on the BB it's probably better to call and take advantage of your position on him, but if you're confident he is adjusting, then a 4bet is +EV as well, but I'm committing on most flops if I'm going that route.

What about just folding to his 3 bet? Not sure how often people here fold AK to a 3bet but I find that 80% of people playing 2/5 never 3 bet without AA/KK or maybe QQ. The ones who do 3 bet lighter are pretty easy to identify especially if they are regs at all.

True, but it tilted the old man and increased my maniac image which is very far from the truth in reality and neither of those is all bad.

Fold and don't tell anyone unless he's esp bad postflop. Old men don't make adjustments often enough and it's highly unlikely he's choosing to playback OOP

The BB in this hand is not the same 80 year old OMC from the "image" hand, but he is still an OMC. Hes probably 70ish. Ive never seen hm before and Ive only been at this table for like 15 hands

Folding AK to a 3bet from an unknown 70 yo can never be too bad. I'd be leery of assuming our image matters without a read that it does.

I've folded AK to a 3 bet several times, but I need a decent reason to do it (and an old guy 3 betting from the blinds may be that reason!)

Your games must play different to mine though, because I regularly see suited Aces, suited kings, 99+ type hands get 3 bet too

4bet and call shove, don't want BTN to come along


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Not loving the shove with KQs. If you've never seen him 3b before, I'd be more inclined to think he had a big hand than a mediocre one. Unless you think he can 3b/fold, shoving puts you all in against a range that's ahead of you -- if you're right. And waaay ahead of you if you're wrong.

Please provide reads on the people actually in the hand. I assumed actors were the same as in the previous hand. I get (now) that you were just tyring to show that you might have a donkey image. I wouldn't put too much faith in that. One of the hallmarks of LLSNL V's is not adjusting properly to opponents. OMC nits are still going to have a premium hand when they play back at you; Weak tight players still aren't going to put all their chips in with a weak hand because they saw you do something stupid. LLSNL V's overwhelmingly are playing their strategy and their hands, not attempting to exploit a mistake they think you made in one hand.

I don't mind flatting here and playing poker, though I think it's a highly marginal spot. I'm totally fine with folding AKo to a 3b from an older unkonwn.

4b here would be spew -- you're likely getting it all in with something like 38% or less equity.

I folded to the 3 bet

if you got backraised to 150 by an OMC with AK, your image was shot before you made that flush.

But, you are running good. shove again and race with your AK.