1/2 Maryland Live

Hero ($265): Late 20s playing pretty spewy (from the table's perspective). There had been an absolute total maniac at the table and I was getting it in super thin against him preflop with 77. I shoved on a 442 board over top his $75 flop bet with AQ for value, got called, and was good. People thought I was a bit crazy but didn't understand how far ahead AQ was ahead of maniac's range. Besides the hands I've been in with the maniac, I've played standard and TAG.

V1 ($350): Late 20s "bro" tattoos, playing pretty loose too but isn't making any moves. Has alaways had something good when he's raised post flop.

V2 ($250): Typical old grandfather nit, overvalues starting hands post-flop.

Hand: V1 limps in EP, 4 other limpers including V2 on the BTN. I am in the SB with AK and raise to $15.

V1 and V2 call as well as a random in the middle.

Flop ($60): Q87

I lead for $35. V1 calls, random folds, and V2 quickly says "$135". Hero?

if you can add AQ and possibly KQ to his range i think a shove is fine

if he's only raising sets and 2pr here i think its slightly -ev

I was like 90% confident he had 2 pair (possibly a set) here.

I'm sure the $15 is normal with all those limper at your table, but it seems really small to me.

As played, I just get it in. I like to gamble, though, and I think our K and/or A might be outs. NIT might even fold

Edit: Just saw your post. I probably still gamble.

im getting the rest of my money in. With almost half your stack in the pot already and a likely flip, im not giving up on that pot equity by folding.

I am going bigger pre - but not necessarily a big deal.

I think flop is a fold.

If we believe V2 is a nit and his current range is 2p+, he should have sets more often than 2p here.

We only have ~35% equity even giving him a somewhat liberal range.

If we think his range can include FDs it is close.

When we say 2p+ I think we making a mistake not including Qxcc (i.e. QJcc QTcc).

Either way, think we need to nit it up and fold.

hero has only invested 50$...

how in the world is it a likely flip?

Half H stack is not in the pot.

What range do you give V2 that we flip with?

overpairs, sets, lower FD's, OESD's, AQ.

nits get scared when there are two clubs on the flop so if they have anything they will try to end the hand.

I added up the bets wrong.

If you really don't think he will do this without a set/2pair than fold.

Call. We want to keep V1 in, so shoving is bad. Obv never folding.

And on a blank turn?

calling is pretty awful imo

I don't consider calling to be an option.

Raise to $20 preflop. You'll still get two callers at MD Live. :-)

Calling isn't an option, and it's never a good sign when grandpa nit raises you. There's $265 in the pot, and you have $205 left in your stack. I think I gamble here, and reload when my flush draw completely whiffs.

Then it's a math problem

The decision doesn't depend on whether you like to gamble, or whether you're a TAG/LAG or ???. If it's -EV to call/raise then your only option is to fold.

Think of it this way. The person with the best cards is saving you money. When you're the person with the set you'll be usually doubling up -- because mostly people just think: I have a pretty draw I can't fold.

Wow I totally had the Vs mixed in my hand. V2 old nit called my $35 and the other 20 something bro made it $135. Sorry guys.

From your description, it doesn't change much -- sounds as if either of them would have raised with two pair+, although I was a little confused by the "overvalues hands post" and the "two pair or set" comment when I thought it was the old man. If he overvalues, he could have AQ or KQ.

You are definitely putting V1 on two pair or better, correct?

I don't think we should expect to see these hands

Probably makes it closer to a call - based on the information, it is more reasonable this player has flush draws and overplays them (as we note him as loose).

Though is sounds like our read is 2p+, which does not change much

After reading V descriptions, I think it's less of a call. V2 (old guy) overvalues hands post flop; V1 only has something good when he raises post flop.

(That was my main reason for wanting to push originally when I thought it was V2 raising.)