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AK: Flop top 2 pair but fear villain might have bottom set. How to proceed? AK: Flop top 2 pair but fear villain might have bottom set. How to proceed?

12-14-2020 , 08:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by snowman
everyone seems to be forgetting that V has position on us

there is no need for V to 5-bet AA or KK pre as V HAS POSITION ON US

never said all these hypotheticals you like to infer.



Dude weren’t you a poker endboss? This is incoherent.

It doesn’t matter if he could have AA/KK. At least not insofar as the strategy of the hand. He will still 5 bet those hands at some frequency. And even if he does flat at some frequency, his range to 3 bet and call 4 will have more hands than a range to actually put the 4 bet in. So, we still have the range advantage, as we have all the sets and all the two pairs at basically 100% frequency.

You’re trying too hard to build a strawman case. But you’re just wrong here. We have the range edge on this board.

Also how is checking turn a non-answer? You’ve already blathered on that you’re scared of V’s range. Suddenly you want to go for thin value to “take control of the hand” or something? Most everyone is in agreement that a check has to happen somewhere as we don’t have a 3 street value hand (unless opponent has AQ exactly). So if a bet doesn’t accomplish anything, why make it?


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12-16-2020 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
Dude weren’t you a poker endboss? This is incoherent.

It doesn’t matter if he could have AA/KK. At least not insofar as the strategy of the hand. He will still 5 bet those hands at some frequency. And even if he does flat at some frequency, his range to 3 bet and call 4 will have more hands than a range to actually put the 4 bet in. So, we still have the range advantage, as we have all the sets and all the two pairs at basically 100% frequency.

You’re trying too hard to build a strawman case. But you’re just wrong here. We have the range edge on this board.

Also how is checking turn a non-answer? You’ve already blathered on that you’re scared of V’s range. Suddenly you want to go for thin value to “take control of the hand” or something? Most everyone is in agreement that a check has to happen somewhere as we don’t have a 3 street value hand (unless opponent has AQ exactly). So if a bet doesn’t accomplish anything, why make it?


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you need to borrow someone's reading glasses or lay off the pipe

I posted to bet turn, you posted check turn

you seem confident your range is ahead but then post "everyone agrees our actual 2 cards are good for only 2 streets of value"
so are you betting / checking your range or your 2 cards?

as for the OP post
our 2 cards are on the low end of our range and V has ALL the range that is ahead still within his .

OP please post results as my bet is he showed flopped set AAA

V is in position and has zero reason to 5-bet this deep
100BB sure but not here

FWIW I would 3-bet call with A4 A5 suited but OP posted tight table little to no 3-betting

as I posted we win a small pot or lose a big one
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12-17-2020 , 10:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by snowman
I posted to bet turn, you posted check turn

you seem confident your range is ahead but then post "everyone agrees our actual 2 cards are good for only 2 streets of value"
so are you betting / checking your range or your 2 cards?

as for the OP post
our 2 cards are on the low end of our range and V has ALL the range that is ahead still within his .

OP please post results as my bet is he showed flopped set AAA

V is in position and has zero reason to 5-bet this deep
100BB sure but not here

FWIW I would 3-bet call with A4 A5 suited but OP posted tight table little to no 3-betting

as I posted we win a small pot or lose a big one
you said:
"this is not a great flop for us.
our range is capped.
V's is wide open."

and "we win a small pot or lose a big one"

But instead being cautious because of Monsters under the bed, you say you would bet flop ($150) + turn($350)??
what would you do on the river if V calls our turn bet? check/call?
And call up to how much?


as for the results of the hand, here's the River:
(my flop + turn is in post #18)

Spoiler:
-River ($363): <Blank card>
Hero bets $85 (same as preflop/flop bet), villain folds

i guess he had TT or JJ for a gutshot?

So now what do you guys think of my play on each street given the info from the previous street?

Last edited by AA Suited; 12-17-2020 at 11:19 PM.
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12-18-2020 , 06:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AA Suited
you said:
"this is not a great flop for us.
our range is capped.
V's is wide open."

and "we win a small pot or lose a big one"

But instead being cautious because of Monsters under the bed, you say you would bet flop ($150) + turn($350)??
what would you do on the river if V calls our turn bet? check/call?
And call up to how much?


as for the results of the hand, here's the River:
(my flop + turn is in post #18)

Spoiler:
-River ($363): <Blank card>
Hero bets $85 (same as preflop/flop bet), villain folds

i guess he had TT or JJ for a gutshot?

So now what do you guys think of my play on each street given the info from the previous street?
I said bet turn to deny free draw as you thought JJ 1010 possible there
and possible value from AQ
I would check river
doubt V would bluff missed draw there
only real hand we beat is AQ so soul read if V bets

your line keeps losses smaller and don't think we could have gotten much more if any as our hand is face up
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