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01-08-2018 , 01:55 PM
2-5 effective 240.
UTG limps 5. Hero UTg+1 AKdd raise to 25. Folds around to BB who calls 25. UTG limper calls.
3 ways.
(77) Flop 652scd
BB donk bets 15. UTG folds. Hero calls.
(107) Turn 4d
BB bets 15. Hero calls.
(137) Riv 7x.
Check check.

villain is showing some serious weakness in this hand and it feels wrong to let him get away with it. But at the same time its hard to credibly rep a value range at any point but otf. Should we be just raising this flop donk? (we are getting goof odds to call otf, and maybe we can try and take it away on any T J Q K A turn...) is there a better way to play this?
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01-08-2018 , 04:35 PM
I find that a lot of times plays like this are just weak made hands but often the opponent won't fold. I think the hand is played well and could probably even call with no backdoor flush draw.
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01-08-2018 , 04:42 PM
I think I raise the flop donk, but you have to be prepared to continue on the turn. (Raising the turn would be interesting, but the diamond helps us and we get to see the river cheap.) Also depends on opponent. Some just won't fold a pair, so not worth raising/betting into them.
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01-08-2018 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
I think I raise the flop donk, but you have to be prepared to continue on the turn. (Raising the turn would be interesting, but the diamond helps us and we get to see the river cheap.) Also depends on opponent. Some just won't fold a pair, so not worth raising/betting into them.
+1. By raising flop and betting turn, we rep an overpair which is basically all we can do here. If you don't raise the flop, then checking turn is better.

Anybody think betting river semi-big makes sense?
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01-08-2018 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by shorn7

Anybody think betting river semi-big makes sense?
Given the smaller bets on the flop and turn and the check by the Villain on the River, the Hero could probably take the pot away with a decent size bet of around 3/4 of the pot, in this case a ~$100. Villain might have something like A5, for 3rd pair. Villain didn't show a lot of strength throughout the hand, so I think taking a stab at it on the river might get through here.
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01-08-2018 , 05:08 PM
Betting the river is interesting, but I'd need reads on V that he'll fold a pair. We don't rep much at that point.
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01-08-2018 , 05:16 PM
Any reads or further info on villain?

The fact that v is on bb and just completed action pre makes this flop more likely to have hit his range than yours. This is where our familiarity with villians tendencies is important.
-have we seen v donk bet? Was it for protection? Keep in mind his small bet compare to pot size (15/75)
-have we seen v face a raise otf and how did v reacted to this?

If v has shown to be more on passive side I would elect to raise otf around 40-60. The diamond otf is the pivotal card to raise the flop donk bet, it gives us many favorable turn cards. This raise is intended to
*take the pot rn
*get info from v
*get to show down w/o putting any more $ in
*disguise our hand as an over pair 77s-AAs and other stronger hands than our AK

As played is acceptable if we have no reads on villain and I would expect to lose to a lot of one pair hands.









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01-08-2018 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Betting the river is interesting, but I'd need reads on V that he'll fold a pair. We don't rep much at that point.


I think betting the river will be -ev i the long run. Due to hero's action otf and turn sort of narrows heros range to 2 high cards. At best we are gonna fold out one pair hands and what pair is v donk betting? With pot being ~135 and the texture of the board, it will take a lot of heart to put a big enough bet to make v fold


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01-09-2018 , 04:46 PM
Hand was played fine.

As played, we need to give up on the four to a straight river. He's usually checking to check/call.

Raising the flop is a credible option.

On the turn, having picked up more info about the strength of his hand, if it had been any card other than a 3 or a 4 raising to 80 would also have been a credible option. From his perspective, we can still easily have an overpair and be prepared to stack off here.

Last edited by Nogyong; 01-09-2018 at 04:56 PM.
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01-09-2018 , 07:44 PM
Pretty classic "betting for information" line, i raise this flop to give him the info he's buying. If he calls then I just give up since they've proven themselves to be too stubborn to fold.
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01-10-2018 , 12:23 AM
With our call, pot is 107 and there's only 200 back. We don't have maneuver room to call and try to take away later.

If V has a fold button, if our image is good, especially if we've seen V bet small with weak hands... then we can try take this away.

I think the only reasonable line is put 40 or 50 on top OTF (depending on what looks more like suck-bet in your games) and then jam the remainder OTT. The idea is to mimic how someone with a big overpair would play it.

I don't think it makes sense to raise the flop larger without jamming, since we'll sometimes end up being committed OTT anyway.

Against some V's, it might be better to jam the flop, but I think that's mostly going to look too bluffy.

Obviously fold flop if V x/r.
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01-10-2018 , 01:06 AM
I like the flop float at this price. I'd raise the turn to 90. His bet looks like a blocker, let's find out. AP, I probably slide out 80 otr, but it depends on the read. Board is pretty scary for A6.
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01-10-2018 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by sai1b0ats
I like the flop float at this price. I'd raise the turn to 90.
This was also my instinct having picked up equity on the turn. Did you notice it's four to a straight?: 6524
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01-10-2018 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Nogyong
This was also my instinct having picked up equity on the turn. Did you notice it's four to a straight?: 6524
Yes, and we don't have a lot of 3s in our range. However, raising the turn is just an attempt to exploit what appears to be face-up play by the Villain, that is that he has a weak made hand that wants to set the price. Obviously, we have decent backup equity if we can't get him to fold.
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01-10-2018 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sai1b0ats
Obviously, we have decent backup equity if we can't get him to fold.
Interesting.

Fwiw if he jams after we raise it to 90, we'll be getting pot odds of 21.7% but we only have 19.6% chance of hitting our flush
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