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AK facing big turn raise? AK facing big turn raise?

07-19-2014 , 12:21 AM
Hero - Been at this table for a few hours. Not real active. Very few limps, when in pot I usually come in for a raise. Misplayed AA versus villian my second hand at the table which probably makes villian think I'm scared money. Villian commented about it during that hand and once or twice afterwards.

Villian - 30's Asian dude. Obvious regular that knows a lot of players. Reloaded once early on and at the same time bought 7 black chips to have in his pocket. Definite LAG, but smart enough to make that style work for him. Showed a lot of flopped big hands, sets maybe 6 times. But also have seen him raise pre-flop with A4 off, then fire three 1/2 pot sized bets against old man nit with 4th pair by the river and no draw. Old man has two pair and darn near double his sort stack in that hand.

Hero UTG $220ish AhKh raise to 12
3 callers including V who was on the button
Flop ($48 minus rake) Kd4h2c
Hero bets $22
Villian calls
Turn ($86) 5d
Hero bets $50
Villian obviously trying to see how comfortable I am for a minute, then pops it to 125
What should hero do?

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07-19-2014 , 12:59 AM
I would have bet larger on both streets. Flop bet seems too small at less than half a pot into a field of three additional players. I think the pot going into the turn was $96ish not $86ish, so a bet size of greater than $50 may have made this decision easier.

You have $136 left after your turn bet. Your opponent has raised creating a total pot of $267. Your opponent has $62 remaining. Leaving you the choice of either: Call $75 into a pot of $267 creating a river pot of $342 with effective stacks of $62. OR Raise all-in. OR Fold. Awkward raise by your opponent for sure.

You're getting 3.5:1 after your opponents raise. Which means you need 22% equity to continue. (If you assume it's a certainty your opponent calls a raise it's basically $136 into $465). Against a range of straights and sets you're drawing dead basically. Yet, if you feel your opponent can either turn a hand with showdown value into a draw instead of bluff-catching OR if you think your opponent raises Kx or a turned draw here. I think you could then continue if you feel those possibilities to be likely as your equity becomes significantly higher than 22%, in which case I would go all-in. However, you have to be sure your opponent can raise the turn in this spot with those types of hands. You've said you've seen your opponent flip over some big hands, how did he play those hands? Did he play them "fast" on the flop?

Go with your read in my opinion.
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07-19-2014 , 01:12 AM
This could possibly be a time when you might have thought too seriously about him trying to take advantage your "scared money".
If that has any influence... $255/75=3.4 = 3.5-to-1 to see the river. No guarantees there won't be any more money to call on the river. There most likely will be another bet you will have to call.
So if you call and the pot becomes $330 and with your TPTK are you gonna call a punishing value bet on the end?
Bottom line this really seems like a time to tighten up and forget about it.
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07-19-2014 , 01:15 AM
Grunch.

I don't see any leveling wars in your post. In that case, I'd fold here because of his bet size. 1.5x really looks like a value bet. If he was bluffing I think he'd shove.

The only bluff I can imagine in his range is 53 which just improved, and if he has 53 I think he shoves. And he's unlikely to call that preflop anyway.

He doesn't have A4. He raises that on the flop.

He's reeling us in.
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07-19-2014 , 01:46 AM
Forgot to mention v started the hand with between 700 and 800.

He plays only 1 speed, monsters and air pedal to the medal.

Agree that my flop and then bets could have been a little bigger.

Calling his turn raise would have been horrible knowing what I would face on the river. Only options in my line of thinking was to fold or shove.

I must have looked nervous to him because I was. With that read, plus what I've seen in the past from him I went with shove. Villain obviously hated my shove, but called anyway.

River 8h for board of k,4,2,5,8 making his 6,7 good.

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07-19-2014 , 01:48 AM
Bet a lot more on flop and turn, Id like pot on flop and ship most turns . Nh
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07-19-2014 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ZippyThePinhead
Calling his turn raise would have been horrible knowing what I would face on the river. Only options in my line of thinking was to fold or shove.
What do you mean what you would face on the river? If the river is a blank does villain ship with air? If so you could call turn, call river.

Edit: just realized you weren't that deep. Ship rather than call is preferred, but if deeper call may make sense.

Last edited by GrindPokerAllDay; 07-19-2014 at 12:02 PM.
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