1/3nl at M.D. live on a Saturday night. Hero has been playing pretty snug and ABC, villain has no reason to think anything else of me. I got my stack before villain came to table.

Villain is 30s Asian guy, seems competent because he's been folding a lot. Definitely tighter than rest of table. Won a few hands without showdown, nothing significant. Tops off when below 300. Has about 600, hero covers.

Hero raises to 12 in early position with AK, 3 people call, including villain in cutoff. One caller in mid and other caller in blinds.

Flop 4 way (50): A 8 T
Blind checks, hero bets 15 to see how they react, first villain calls, main villain calls, blind folds.

I'm putting both villains on either draws or weak aces here, I feel stronger hands would raise flop given draw heavy nature.

Turn 3 way (95): 2
Hero bets 40, first villain calls fairly quickly, main villain thinks and raises to 210. Hero calls after some thought. First villain tanks for almost 2-3 minutes, main villain calls clock on him, and he folds.

I'm thinking first villain almost certainly had a draw, most likely spades or straight draw, but didn't want to pay 210, as that would leave him almost all in with only about 40 behind.

Main villain's raise doesn't make sense unless he has A2s, maybe some type of turned combo draw like KQ/KJ/QJ/Q9/J9/97 with diamonds, or maybe some baby flush draw with a wheel draw? Maybe I should fold here? Maybe go all in? Anyways, I called, probably bad. Was planning to evaluate based on river card and action.

River HU (545): 9
Hero checks. Villain thinks and goes all in for about 325. Hero?

I hated that river, it completed a bunch of straight draws and the backdoor flush draw. I have no blockers. I probably shouldn't even be in this spot, but what to do now?

Advice on all streets appreciated, but mainly looking for turn/river decisions. Thanks!

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Flop bet size is awful. You gave any draw immediate odds to continue not to mention great implied. Gotta size at least $35 there.

EZ fold when raised on the turn. You have a one pair hand that has little chance of improving. In fact I would argue calling is the worst choice of all. Fold>>>>Shove>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>call.

Same on the river. Your hand only beats bluffs now so don't compound your previous errors by calling.

Your flop bet size is what makes this turn decision difficult. Your flop bet is so weak and blocker-y that his call doesn't narrow his range at all. Is he floating with QdJd, and then semibluffing the turn? Is he calling with AQ/AJ to keep you from folding weaker aces and pocket pairs? Is he calling with A8/A10/88/1010, letting you draw cheaply one time and planning to raise any non-scary turn?

Your turn bet is still less than half pot. If I had AQ, your betting line would have me pretty convinced that I was ahead.

A standard-sized bet of $30-35 on the flop will still get called by weak aces and plenty of draws on that wet flop. If you bet $35 on the flop and they both call, you can bet $75-$100 on the turn and pretty comfortably fold to a raise. (This leaves you vulnerable to semibluff raises on the turn, but that's pretty uncommon at 1-3 when hero is showing strength on multiple streets.)

As played, I think it's a puke-fold on the turn, and it's an easy fold on the river. Everything got there except the spade draw. AQ hates this river and has showdown value, so he isn't shoving a weaker ace here.

Don't bet 15 into 50 3 ways on a wet flop with TPTK to "see how they react".

fold to the turn raise, he's raising over 2 other players with a stack committing raise. he's not going to fold the river after putting that much money in, so he likely has one pair hands beat. If he wanted you both to fold he would have probably jammed it all in. Also from my experience when he calls the clock it's usually a sign of strength (like he wants the player to get mad and call).

Bruh what is up with the flop sizing? As played I fold the turn cause he made it so big in a four way pot. Never a bluff and never AQ/AJ. If it was a smaller raise I probably call cause you've under-repped your hand with your weird sizings.

River is an easy fold. A million draws got there. If you called and villain showed a slowplayed set/two pair on the flop definitely make a note of that.

Your range you came up with for the vil who raised the turn is flawed. He does this with sets and 2 pairs. Fold. No semi-bluff against 2 players unless this is a tourney and he is desperate and about to bust out.

Yeah flop bet is wayyyyyyy too small. 4 ways is rarely being fired with total air, so you want to extract value and isolate. 15 into 50 doesn't accomplish that.

Fold turn. I disagree when you say a "good seeming" player would raise any good hand on this flop and 88 makes perfect sense here.

I cant really think of a precise hand villain raises turn for value, I just know a lot of fishy live players do this with some slowplayed hand on the flop. Strange as it seems, I've seen players just call behind with 2 pair or a set because they want to see a safe turn card before getting their money in. I could see him turning A2 or a very poorly played KQ/QJdd type thing that got there. I dont ever expect to see a bluff though.

i think they all have the same reaction..

flop sizing is too small, now as played, fold turn.

Thank you all for the comments.

Results are: hero folded. Villain turns over 78 of clubs.

I suppose my weak bets on flop/turn made villain assume I was weak, so he decided to turn his bottom pair into a bluff. I wanted to call since his line made little sense, but it's just so rare to see live villains who have been playing relatively calm start going ham and then have it be a bluff. Good for him I guess!

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Im curious, what about this player seemed tight to you? Because tight players just dont call down into 5 way pots with bottom pair no draw then pick a totally random turn card and attempt to bluff into 2 more players including the initial raiser.

Well I'd say he was playing close to about 15-20% of his hands preflop. Folded quite a few times in small blind and button as well.

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How long were you playing with him? And how did you come to this VPIP assessment? I ask because you'd be surprised just how loose people really are playing without genuine tracking. I ran a mobile HUD app on my phone for a few sessions just for lulz and was shocked to see how many people were running 60vpip or more, and that the avg overall was 35%. It just doesnt seem that way when youre sitting there but numbers dont lie. I imagine this player was far looser than you thought, at least having seen a showdown with him now you know.