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03-06-2015 , 08:00 PM
V1- definition of a calling station. Likes to play a lot of hands. Not super aggro usually.
$2/$5
V1 -$2000 behind
Hero- 400 behind
V1 utg+2 opens for $15

Folds to hero who looks down at AhKd

Hero on button.
Hero makes it $55
V1 hesitantly calls.

Flop Ac7h3h

V1 checks
Hero makes it $95
V1 calls.

Turn Qd
V1 bets out $150.
Hero-?


Standard shove for hero? Or standard fold?
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03-06-2015 , 09:12 PM
Just fold.
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03-06-2015 , 09:13 PM
And after folding, I'd show the K to try to get villain to show.
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03-06-2015 , 09:13 PM
I bet a bit smaller OTF. $75 is fine especially with Ah. As played board is too dry and against this villain , to fold this for 80bb effective. All in.
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03-06-2015 , 09:14 PM
I think I'd call. If he's bluffing, he might bluff again. If he's not, he's not folding to a shove for another 250. Re-read your read.

Call pf/call flop/bet on brick turn card is such a funky value line, I'd say you're probably ahead of alot of hands that are unlikely to improve on the river.

at 80BB's deep, 3-betting AK means you're looking to stack off when you make top pair. Folding after getting 40% of your stack in seems nuts to me.
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03-06-2015 , 09:24 PM
I see this play made mostly w mediocre strength hands by fish who want to "find out where they're at" and "stop you from betting".

Many live players have a serious anxiety about check calling ever. They'll often donk stuff that we would check and call.

This may be a flush draw, maybe JJ or some draw that turned the Q.

I'd be sick about it but I would call
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03-06-2015 , 09:42 PM
Huge calling stations aren't leading 150 into 300 on the turn with hands you beat.
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03-06-2015 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Donovan
I see this play made mostly w mediocre strength hands by fish who want to "find out where they're at" and "stop you from betting".
+1

fishy players sometimes want to show you "I have an ace. So back off a little" and they will be happy you fold your jacks.

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Originally Posted by Pork Fri Rize
I bet a bit smaller OTF. $75 is fine especially with Ah.
+2

I would 3bet to 45 and cbet like 65 into 95. You have an 80bb stack and you are betting high which is getting you inadvertently committed.

I would need some kind of read on him but it is hard to make that determination with your short description but in a vacuum it's probably good to just fold since he was a pf raiser in early position (I would also like to know does he always open to 15? if not this could be 33 or 77. Does he open raise alot at all? does he float and did he ever donk out any streets?)
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03-06-2015 , 10:12 PM
Against some guys AK will still be good, but when stations take the lead from you, TP isn't good anymore.
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03-06-2015 , 10:19 PM
standard shove with these stacks. There just aren't a whole lot of hands that beat AK. There's $300 in the pot already, his bet is effectively an all-in so it's $250 to win $550. It would be unusual for villain to take this line with AJ or a draw but not impossible (players do weird stuff all the time!) Even if we expect to win a third of the time it's still correct to shove with these pot odds. (don't forget to consider our 50% equity against the same hand too)

Finding a hero fold in these sorts of short-stacked spots is often going to be incorrect. It's actually rare that you can put a player on such an exact range with so little action. His actual range doesn't have to differ very much from what you perceive his range is to make calling at 2:1 +EV.
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03-06-2015 , 10:28 PM
^ Yeah he only needs to be good 32% of the time but when a guy who's moniker is "the definition of a calling station" takes the lead on a turn card that doesn't change the board texture, Hero will be good < 10% of the time.

KJhh/KThh/JThh are the only hands that gained equity with this turn card that might decide to lead out that we're still ahead of. And I don't know if any of those are raising from any position, let alone UTG+2.

V shows up with AQ/QQ/77 ~95% of the time.

What hand do you expect V to show up with 32% of the time that we're beating?
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03-06-2015 , 10:48 PM
I really don't feel like you're ever making a mistake by stacking off with TPTK when you're 80BB's deep.
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03-06-2015 , 11:17 PM
Call. You've flopped the nuts in a 3b pot with 80bb.
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03-07-2015 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by eldiesel
^ Yeah he only needs to be good 32% of the time but when a guy who's moniker is "the definition of a calling station" takes the lead on a turn card that doesn't change the board texture, Hero will be good < 10% of the time.

KJhh/KThh/JThh are the only hands that gained equity with this turn card that might decide to lead out that we're still ahead of. And I don't know if any of those are raising from any position, let alone UTG+2.

V shows up with AQ/QQ/77 ~95% of the time.

What hand do you expect V to show up with 32% of the time that we're beating?
This is very smart but I think you have to widen Vs range to include a lot of Qxs holdings that would continue on the flop and now bet a pair and a flush draw. If KQs, QJs, QTs and Q9s are in Vs range, that's a lot more hands we can beat that would play this hand this way.

I would discount QQ from Vs range as even a calling station can fold QQ on this flop but I am afraid of AQ here. That said, we started the hand with 80bb.
110 in the pot pre flop, another 190 went in on the flop, so pot is 300. V bet 150 and we have 250 left. I think we're good here against Vs range, even if we more heavily weight AQ and all sets given V description, and that we are short stacked -- I gii. If stacks were deeper, I could more readily see folding.

As played, some posters have criticized the flop bet sizing. I like that size, esp given stack. You're setting up a PSB shove on turn, which with this flop and board, makes sense. A smaller bet might accomplish much the same result, but against a station, I like the bigger bet.
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