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AK from BB, TPTK coordinated board, river value? AK from BB, TPTK coordinated board, river value?

07-26-2013 , 06:51 PM
$1/$2 NL, live, full table. My image is probably TAG to my opponents; it seems I am winning any pot that I either raised preflop, or initiated betting on the flop in an unraised pot. The table is mostly passive, several timid opponents, occasional deception, no LAGs from what I could tell.

Hero stack = ~$450
Villain 1 = ~$130. He was very quick to act with his decisions. Postflop, his quick calls of other opponents' bets were usually with at least TP or a draw. He did not raise postflop unless he had 2-pair or better. 30-ish year old guy, headphones and sunglasses, listening to metal music, I could hear it from across the table. I have outplayed him or had a better hand than him literally every hand we played vs each other, and he seemed visibly disturbed by it.
Villain 2 = ~$300. Only sat at our table ~30 minutes prior, but won a big pot pretty quickly, in which his Q3o (which he had limped UTG) and 2-pair beat out an opponent's inferior 2-pair. Also deceptive once with trips. 65-ish year old guy. His range is wide, albeit a passive player IMO.

Multiple limps around the table, including V1 (HJ seat) and V2 (button). I raise to $15 from BB with AK. All fold except V1 and V2, who call.

Flop: K9J. Plan: straightforward I guess....betting for value.
Hero bets $30. V1 says "how much is that?" and calls very quickly. V1 leans forward with interest. V2 also quickly calls.

Turn: T. I am convinced that at least one of my opponents has 2-pair or better now. Coordinated board + draw to nut flush = I'd rather control the pot than create a difficult decision after a bet.
Hero checks. V1 checks. V2 thinks for 10 seconds, then checks.

River: 5

Hero? How much are you value betting here, assuming you are value betting?
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07-26-2013 , 07:43 PM
OOP I raise a little more to 20$ preflop but this is not a big deal.

Flop is fine, simple b/f against typical passives.

Check on the turn also good. Chances of being ahead v two players are small.

Just because turn checked through I don't think you can value bet the river. Waaaaay to thin.
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07-26-2013 , 09:16 PM
Agree with quesuerte on all points. Raise a bit larger PF OOP, b/f flop, and just check river, since value-betting is too thin (not sure what worse calls you, maybe AJ / K8s but that seems like it and not even sure if those are in villain's ranges).
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07-27-2013 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by quesuerte
OOP I raise a little more to 20$ preflop but this is not a big deal.

Flop is fine, simple b/f against typical passives.

Check on the turn also good. Chances of being ahead v two players are small.

Just because turn checked through I don't think you can value bet the river. Waaaaay to thin.
Thank you for the feedback. I'm thinking along the same lines as you guys. The river I contemplated a "feeler" bet, say $30-ish again, but I was more strongly contemplating how coordinated the board was. Maybe it's hindsight thinking here, but I only posted this hand b/c I feel I should have bet the river. If I knew one of my Villains had aggro tendencies, then I obviously check. But my reads on them were tight/loose mix, mostly straightforward/rarely deceptive - so perhaps a bet would have been safe. The disadvantages of not having position - Sigh.
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07-27-2013 , 09:01 AM
Raise more pre.

As played flop bet has to be bigger. Bet pot or close to it.
Turn is good.
River check, with intention of folding without soul read.
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07-27-2013 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by gabeleighton
Thank you for the feedback. I'm thinking along the same lines as you guys. The river I contemplated a "feeler" bet, say $30-ish again, but I was more strongly contemplating how coordinated the board was. Maybe it's hindsight thinking here, but I only posted this hand b/c I feel I should have bet the river. If I knew one of my Villains had aggro tendencies, then I obviously check. But my reads on them were tight/loose mix, mostly straightforward/rarely deceptive - so perhaps a bet would have been safe. The disadvantages of not having position - Sigh.

I agree too thin to bet for value but should we maybe be betting (as a bluff)70$ since we can rep AQ/AJ

It only has to work like a third of the time. I bet you get Q's, small if they even have that, 2 pair to fold a lot.
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